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 Jul 29 2008, 09:43 AM
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Jul 29 2008, 10:02 AM
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regular Group: Members Posts: 163 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Malaysia Member No.: 30,749 |
Wow, I think I'm going to just keel over from the shock of it. I'm so used to medium format manufacturers making an announcement once every few years, now there are so many new announcements this year, I can't handle it!
 1. PhaseOne 645 Camera. 2. Hasselblad H3DII-50 3. Hasselblad HTS 1.5 4. Hasselblad View Camera Adapter 5. PhaseOne P65+ 6. (expected Hasselblad 645 full frame announcement at PhotoKina) 7. Now the Leaf AFi 10! What about #8 - next one to drop the other shoe is Sinar maybe? 
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Jul 29 2008, 10:02 AM
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members Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 2-January 07 Member No.: 20,770 |
2:3 ratio on a MFDB.
Isn't that an answer to a question that was never asked? :-) The internal sensor vertical/horizontal switching hower seems nice if it's reliable over time and can take some abuse. And certainly the viewfinder mask would need to automatically display the active cropping area (think Mamiya RZ67) which I assume it does not. |
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Jul 29 2008, 10:13 AM
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It's kind of funny how Dalsa has developed special sensors for Phase and now for Leaf. I wonder what differently shaped or sized sensor they will have for Sinar.
Wouldn't costs on the sensor fab and hence MFDBs come down if they just made one sensor version and made a lot of them for all the back makers. |
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Jul 29 2008, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (John Schweikert @ Jul 29 2008, 03:13 PM) It's kind of funny how Dalsa has developed special sensors for Phase and now for Leaf. I wonder what differently shaped or sized sensor they will have for Sinar. Wouldn't costs on the sensor fab and hence MFDBs come down if they just made one sensor version and made a lot of them for all the back makers.  There's more to sensor's design than just "how you cut the cake".... |
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Jul 29 2008, 10:53 AM
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regular Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 25-December 07 From: Beijing, China Member No.: 31,053 |
QUOTE (yaya @ Jul 30 2008, 12:28 AM) There's more to sensor's design than just "how you cut the cake".... I am waiting for the 56x42mm sensor. 4:3 ratio. |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:02 AM
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Very innovative. I also have a hunch that the new Leaf back will have a new, high resolution LCD.
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Jul 29 2008, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE 2:3 ratio on a MFDB. Isn't that an answer to a question that was never asked? :-) The answer to that might be the Golden Ratio...with all the recent talk about the RED, 14:9 is going to give new visuals... QUOTE The internal sensor vertical/horizontal switching hower seems nice if it's reliable over time and can take some abuse. We've had this technology since 1998 without any known issues. I've tried the new mechanism and it is rock solid QUOTE And certainly the viewfinder mask would need to automatically display the active cropping area (think Mamiya RZ67) which I assume it does not. There's an orientation icon displayed in the viewfinder plus a marker on the mount itself. Yair |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:35 AM
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members Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 25-March 08 Member No.: 36,131 |
Well, this is very interesting and I have been waiting for Leaf's reply to Phase. Now we know why Leaf didn't come out with a rotating back like Sinar.
I wonder how durable and accurate this swiveling mechanism is. Still only 1 minute exposures. Why is Phase able to pull such longer exposures out: is it a software thing- or what?? The leaf has active cooling. I wonder why they dribble out the info: they must know the entire specs by now. I wish they would produce a dng file, that would be so smart. Not to mention a jpg alongside the raw. Oh well, I must be crazy for wanting such things, and thinking how useful they would be for workflow and being future proof. Here's hoping the screen is better (another crazy desire!) |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (yaya @ Jul 29 2008, 11:32 AM) The answer to that might be the Golden Ratio...with all the recent talk about the RED, 14:9 is going to give new visuals... We've had this technology since 1998 without any known issues. I've tried the new mechanism and it is rock solid There's an orientation icon displayed in the viewfinder plus a marker on the mount itself. Yair It looks awesome . . . How about the LCD? And how about the . . . GULP . . . price, in USD? |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (TMARK @ Jul 29 2008, 11:36 AM) It looks awesome . . . How about the LCD? And how about the . . . GULP . . . price, in USD? Now get us a price closer to the 30k than phase and you will win a lot of customers ;-) -------------------- |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:39 AM
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regular Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 13-December 06 From: PDX, OR, USA Member No.: 20,352 |
QUOTE (shutay @ Jul 29 2008, 07:02 AM) What about #8 - next one to drop the other shoe is Sinar maybe? what about Sinar arTec? also alpa max, cambo RS, acra XXX, etc, etc... funny how very few of these machines are solving the core problems we all talk about. ISO range, stability, LCD, pricing, etc... |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:48 AM
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regular Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 13-December 06 From: PDX, OR, USA Member No.: 20,352 |
altho - AFi 10 is solving 2 big ones in my mind - sensor rotation and ISO range (sorta) 50-800!?!
however, @ the price of 6x6 pixels and 3:2 is a little weird for MFDB...hmm |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:52 AM
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I can't imagine that Canon and Nikon have overlooked that "Golden Ratio" marketing approach, with their 2x3 proportions. Shame on them. I guess the landscape guys will love the Leaf proportion; as for the vertical people guys, well, again they get left out in the cold.
Everyone thought Leaf would be the first to bring out a square sensor; instead they head toward the Canon shape. Wow. Let's hope that everyone remembers to look up and check that icon in the viewfinder for every frame -- there's nothing like shooting a full-page vertical job with the back set on horizontal. I know -- I've done it with the Fuji 680, before the version III viewfinder actually used metal blades to change the viewfinder. Still, I hope it works for you, Yair. Good luck. All this time, I always thought GoldenRatio was 4x5 proportions. This post has been edited by gwhitf: Jul 29 2008, 11:54 AM -------------------- "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Jul 29 2008, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE (gwhitf @ Jul 29 2008, 12:52 PM) I can't imagine that Canon and Nikon have overlooked that "Golden Ratio" marketing approach, with their 2x3 proportions. Shame on them. I guess the landscape guys will love the Leaf proportion; as for the vertical people guys, well, again they get left out in the cold. Everyone thought Leaf would be the first to bring out a square sensor; instead they head toward the Canon shape. Wow. Let's hope that everyone remembers to look up and check that icon in the viewfinder for every frame -- there's nothing like shooting a full-page vertical job with the back set on horizontal. I know -- I've done it with the Fuji 680, before the version III viewfinder actually used metal blades to change the viewfinder. Still, I hope it works for you, Yair. Good luck. All this time, I always thought GoldenRatio was 4x5 proportions. there is that slight difference in that you can see the image orientation on the back
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Jul 29 2008, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Christopher @ Jul 29 2008, 09:38 AM) Now get us a price closer to the 30k than phase and you will win a lot of customers ;-) My Leaf rep told me that the Afi 10 will be $40k with the camera body, but no lens. He said they will have trade-in prices for my old back, but those have not been set yet. He also told me there will be an Aptus 10 too. That one will be $35k. No lens, but I already have those! 
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Jul 29 2008, 12:23 PM
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regular Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 13-December 06 From: PDX, OR, USA Member No.: 20,352 |
QUOTE (Tomcat @ Jul 29 2008, 09:11 AM) My Leaf rep told me that the Afi 10 will be $40k with the camera body, but no lens. He said they will have trade-in prices for my old back, but those have not been set yet. He also told me there will be an Aptus 10 too. That one will be $35k. No lens, but I already have those! these prices are insane.... |
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Jul 29 2008, 12:27 PM
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regular Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 10-February 08 From: Cracow, Poland Member No.: 33,326 |
QUOTE (gwhitf @ Jul 29 2008, 06:52 PM) I can't imagine that Canon and Nikon have overlooked that "Golden Ratio" marketing approach, with their 2x3 proportions. Shame on them. Maybe becouse it's not really a golden ratio, and maybe becouse golden ratio absolutely doesn't matter in case of frame proportion This post has been edited by Czornyj: Jul 29 2008, 12:28 PM |
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Jul 29 2008, 12:35 PM
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members Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 8-January 05 Member No.: 2,288 |
Nice idea with the rotating chip, really. But TrueWideFormat, WTF??? Ok I see, Leaf doesn't want us fashion shooters, the editorial guys and every body else who mainly does not shoot wide... A pitty as I really like the Hy6. But as there still is some time until photokina I'll keep my fingers crossed for a nice 30 MP fullframe back (TrueFull645SuperFrame!)
cheers, martin |
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Jul 29 2008, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (John Schweikert @ Jul 29 2008, 05:13 PM) It's kind of funny how Dalsa has developed special sensors for Phase and now for Leaf. I wonder what differently shaped or sized sensor they will have for Sinar. Wouldn't costs on the sensor fab and hence MFDBs come down if they just made one sensor version and made a lot of them for all the back makers. wasn't Leaf bought up by Kodak? Why don't they use Kodak sensors then? |
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