Leica's new MF system Options

[gwhitf]

i am getting my canon tomorrow and will try to look into the wifi gizmo a little when i get my hands on one....

Make sure you buy the WIFI device from a company that'll take it back, no questions asked. Everyone that I know that's bought one has returned theirs, and I'm talking about super-savvy technical people. It's a great idea in theory, but for some reason, it seems to give problems in the real world, which is where I live. Dropping connection; shutting down; just plain not working. For me, it worked in my living room, which is where I tested it, but anytime under pressure, it simply malfunctioned half the time. If it was ALL the time, I'd think it might be the user, but when it's half the time, that just introduces doubt, and no one needs doubt in a job.

Maybe by the third generation, it'll actually work.

[narikin]

getting back to the original topic

its pretty obvious what Leica are going to do - announce some new format with an area just larger than 36x24, based on an economic wafer yield analysis. if you map out the wafer carefully and find you can trim (eg) 4mm off the end and add 2mm height and get higher yield, et voila - its a new format!

after all there really is no reason why sensors should still be 36x24, and as Leica was the one that came up with that, we can expect them to widely promote themselves as establishing a new format for the 21st century.

This post has been edited by narikin: Aug 20 2008, 03:51 PM

[shutay]

Actually, I'm quite happy for manufacturers to use different formats, as long as they ensure that there is a good spread of lenses in focal lengths that make sense for that sensor size/shape. It's something that consumers take for granted - consumer digicams come with sensors of all sorts of sizes, although nearly all are 4:3 aspect ratio, but the lenses are always matched in focal length to provide approximately a wide angle of 35mm or so in 35mm film equivalence. This is totally the reverse of medium format digital, until Mamiya and Hasselblad finally released their respective 28mm wide angle lenses. Up until then, photographers were restricted to 40mm or 35mm ultra-wides that were designed originally for 6x6 or 6x4.5 film.

I love my square 36mm x 36mm sensor, and I dare say that it would have been more successful as a sensor product had there been a decent selection of wide angle options for it, rather than people trying to use a 30mm fisheye that was designed for 6x6cm on a 3.6cm x 3.6cm sensor.

Which brings me to the point of how silly it is really to use millimeters to specify a lens' main characteristic, when what we really want to know is the angle of view, which is far more relevant and tells me much more. Grrr!

So I really hope that they ensure that there are decent wide options for it (the new Leica "larger than 35mm sensor" I mean), and in my mind, it will likely be a good selection of lenses in a timely manner that will make or break the format.

This post has been edited by shutay: Aug 21 2008, 11:25 PM

[gwhitf]

Leica tries to act like it's Medium Format by simply copying the pricing model:

http://tinyurl.com/5nnx2c

[Christopher]

Leica tries to act like it's Medium Format by simply copying the pricing model:

http://tinyurl.com/5nnx2c

Leica went a little crazy ....

[CJL]

Plz Canon just give me a GOOD 28-70...

They did... they just labelled it a "24-70"...

If you don't use it at the 24mm setting, it's a pretty decent lens (although it isn't remotely comparable to the Nikon 24-70).

[woof75]

They did... they just labelled it a "24-70"...

If you don't use it at the 24mm setting, it's a pretty decent lens (although it isn't remotely comparable to the Nikon 24-70).

I didn't realise the nikon 24-70 was so good. I really wish someone would make a good AF 28mm prime for either nikon or canon, it would have me changing systems. Hey, while were at it, give me a new 5D with hardly any AA filter, a slightly thicker file, at least 16MP and a great sharp 28mm AF prime and I'd be pretty happy. Fingers crossed for Photokina.

[James R Russell]

I didn't realise the nikon 24-70 was so good. I really wish someone would make a good AF 28mm prime for either nikon or canon, it would have me changing systems. Hey, while were at it, give me a new 5D with hardly any AA filter, a slightly thicker file, at least 16MP and a great sharp 28mm AF prime and I'd be pretty happy. Fingers crossed for Photokina.

The Nikon zoom Lens is off the scale sharp. I loathe zooms but I bought their last two. If there new primes are even close then they will have something.

JR

[woof75]

The Nikon zoom Lens is off the scale sharp. I loathe zooms but I bought their last two.  If there new primes are even close then they will have something.

JR

I hate zooms too, big heavy things, if I want to shoot wide, I get a wide lens, I don't suddenly change my mind mid shot. If they took all that fancy tech they put into making good zooms into primes they could do something outstanding I'm sure. Anyone know who's promising new primes?

[klane]

the canon 28mm 1.8 usm is really sharp, at least the copy I had was....

[psorantin]

the canon 28mm 1.8 usm is really sharp, at least the copy I had was....

My Leica 28/2.0 and 24/2.8 are very sharp wide-open.

But they sit on a M8 rangefinder...

Peter

[foto-z]

Leica made a pre-Photokina announcement to clear up some rumours:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/vbcms.php?ar...m_medium=E-Mail

[tho_mas]

Yes. The finder goes dark.
That's what I meant by PITA Factor.
Imagine shooting people with that lens: Shoot; open lens; refocus; hope they don't move; stop back down; shoot.

New Zeiss ZE:
http://tinyurl.com/5hjtcf

[Snook]

New Zeiss ZE:
http://tinyurl.com/5hjtcf

Looks like the Little D-Lux 4 has an on shoe flash now... Nice.. Always wondered why they did not have that like the G9..:+}
The M8.2 looks quite nice also..:+]
Snook

[SeanBK]

Leica M8.2 @ http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091503leica_m82.asp
for US $6,054 (though who knows where tomorrow the value of US$ is).
and Leica D-Lux4 @ US$ 1,054. Leica C-Lux3 @ US$750. both @
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091502...dlux4_clux3.asp
Rather expensive IMHO.

[thsinar]

You mean this evening!

Thierry

... though who knows where tomorrow the value of US$ is.

[SeanBK]

You mean this evening!

Thierry

I am in US so the simple answer would be - - -

[Snook]

Leica M8.2 @ http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091503leica_m82.asp
for US $6,054 (though who knows where tomorrow the value of US$ is).
and Leica D-Lux4 @ US$ 1,054. Leica C-Lux3 @ US$750. both @
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091502...dlux4_clux3.asp
     Rather expensive IMHO.

1,000$ for the D-Lux 4 jeeeeeeez!! Looks like I will have to buy the panasonic,which is the same...:+{
Did they Bump up the megapixel for the M8.2? Did not see it anywhere. Hopefully they did.
Snook

Might follow Paul Schefz and go the 1DsMIII/M8.2 route...:+}

If mamiya/ phase do not come out with some kind of leafshutter I will probably jump ship here soon and go back to DSLR's....

This post has been edited by Snook: Sep 15 2008, 09:47 AM

[BJL]

1,000$ for the D-Lux 4 jeeeeeeez!!  Looks like I will have to buy the panasonic,which is the same ...

And the debate has already begun in other forums: what differences are there between the Panasonic LX3 an the Leica Digilux 4 to justify the roughly 45% Leica price premium? Since lens quality is the main Leica virtue that I know of and the LX3 seems to have exactly the same Leica lens (along with same Panasonic sensor), I see no practical advantage, but I am open to insights!


Maybe James Russell needs to extend his "upgrade sticker" product line to include red dots!

[thsinar]

That's what I understood/meant, Sean: until this evening in the US there is a long way to go, for the US$.



Best regards,
Thierry

I am in US so the simple answer would be -    -   -