Leica's new MF system Options

[tho_mas]

Capture One Pro ... will do lens geometry as well not just for Phase One/Mamiya lenses, but Hasselblad and Contax lenses as well (from what I understand from what was explained to me this morning)

That would be very very welcome! Hoefully I will see it tomorrow...

This post has been edited by tho_mas: Sep 22 2008, 05:28 PM

[EricWHiss]

I know when Sinar announced their new offerings people jumped all over poor Thierry for not providing all the details.

But we have no representative from Leica here to push on.... so come on Leica how can you invite all these people to a big splash photokina presentation and not even give us some simple facts like the ISO range of the new camera? Is it that far from being finished?

[Quentin]

http://www.s.leica-camera.com/

They are certainly taking this seriously...

Quentin

[EricWHiss]

http://www.s.leica-camera.com/

They are certainly taking this seriously...

Quentin

Wow was that video introduction painful to watch. From the site it appears they are planning to send out a newsletter to anyone that signs up next year..... so probably the camera is a long ways off from being finished, though I'd like to hear otherwise.

[paul_jones]

although i would love a camera like this, i really dont quite know what its for.
i shoot advertsing only, but a lot of variety.
im sure this camera is good for someone, but i find i need two distinct types of cameras- slow, high quality cameras for when you need to do a deliberate studied shot, ie car shooting, complicated comps. these cameras need lots of MP, and theres no worries about shooting to a big screen.
and a waist finder is handy with these.
and then theres a need for a fast camera, for shooting people, or fast stuff, high iso. good to keep out the dirt, sand and water.

so i have an h1/DB and a 1dsmk3.

but i never find i need something in between.

maybe its a good fashion camera when shooting with flash? but it isnt quite a car, landscape, architecture, sports camera.

who here will really consider buying one? maybe im missing something?

paul

This post has been edited by paul_jones: Sep 22 2008, 06:31 PM

[paulmoorestudio]

although i would love a camera like this, i really dont quite know what its for.
i shoot advertsing only, but a lot of variety.
im sure this camera is good for someone, but i find i need two distinct types of cameras- slow, high quality cameras for when you need to do a deliberate studied shot, ie car shooting, complicated comps. these cameras need lots of MP, and theres no worries about shooting to a big screen.
and a waist finder is handy with these.
and then theres a need for a  fast camera, for shooting people, or fast stuff, high iso. good to keep out the dirt, sand and water.

so i have an h1/DB and a 1dsmk3.

but i never find i need something in between.

maybe its a good fashion camera when shooting with flash? but it isnt quite a car, landscape, architecture, sports camera.

who here will really consider buying one? maybe im missing something?

paul

I just checked out your very nice website.. seems to me that this S2 camera would do it all for you.. not sure how big your h1 digital back is or really how good this new one is.. .. I am seeing this is a fast small camera with all the quality of my big slow medium format.. I stlll need a view camera so it won't replace my db..but for everything else this would be my ideal goto camera.

This post has been edited by paulmoorestudio: Sep 22 2008, 07:05 PM

[John Camp]

Wow was that video introduction painful to watch.  From the site it appears they are planning to send out a newsletter to anyone that signs up next year..... so probably the camera is a long ways off from being finished, though I'd like to hear otherwise.

I've been reading a bunch of forums on this camera, and in one of them, there was a link to a magazine that had actually seen the camera, and referred to it as a "working prototype." So it's not far from being done...

JC

[John Camp]

And, those landscape shooters (dentists, former dentists, and the like, etc) who never make a dime on their work anyway but don't care because they already have a porsche AND a Harley.

No, no, no. It's Porsche and a BMW. It's Corvette and a Harley.

JC

[paul_jones]

I just checked out your very nice website.. seems to me that this S2 camera would do it all for you.. not sure how big your h1 digital back is or really how good this new on is.. .. I am seeing this is a fast small camera with all the quality of my big slow medium format.. I stlll need a view camera so it won't replace my db..but for everything else this would be my ideal goto camera.

thanks paul. maybe you are right- the "one camera for all" idea.
i only have a leaf with 22mp, so obviously this will blow it away mp wise. but i was planning to get a used p45 asap (unless i get lured into something else).

there are many shots that i just couldnt live with out the canon. i really do need 5fps and i need a camera that has many focus points, and actually has water housings available for it. not to mention f1.2 50 and 85.
if i got a leica, maybe the quality would render the h1 not needed, but definately not the canon.
but i would miss the waist level finder of the h1.

the big thing that im sure this camera would really blow away the canon as far as im concerned is that it should have decent software and tethering. that is by far the worst aspect of the canon, completely crap software. hats off to leica to team up with a proven, professional software company.

paul

This post has been edited by paul_jones: Sep 22 2008, 07:10 PM

[paulmoorestudio]

thanks paul. maybe you are right- the "one camera for all" idea.
i only have a leaf with 22mp, so obviously this will blow it away mp wise. but i was planning to get a used p45 asap (unless i get lured into something else).

there are many shots that i just couldnt live with out the canon. i really do need 5fps and i need a camera that has many focus points, and actually has water housings available for it. not to mention f1.2 50 and 85.
if i got a leica, maybe the quality would render the h1 not needed, but definately not the canon.
but i would miss the waist level finder of the h1.

the big thing that im sure this camera would really blow away the canon as far as im concerned is that it should have decent software and tethering. that is by far the worst aspect of the canon, completely crap software. hats off to leica to team up with a proven, professional software company.

paul

I was also thinking about updating my back...
I don't get as wet or muddy as you do but I am holding out that I can use some of my fast leica lenses on this and live with some fall off.. I heard an adapter is in the works..and I am still in the dark ages with manual focus lenses for all my cameras.. so we have
different issues..I am really pleased with the quality I have gotten from my dmr.. so I can't wait to see what this camera can do.

[JohnBrew]

http://www.s.leica-camera.com/

They are certainly taking this seriously...

Quentin

As a Leica user for many years I think this is awesome. However, with a hinted at price of 20,000 Euros for the body alone - OMG!!! I'm sure the lens prices will be astronomical also. Hopefully Leica has been paying attention to Mamiya and the ZD and this tempting morsel will be affordable for us mere mortals.

[ndevlin]

Cheering and booing, all at once. Leica has broken its stodgy mould and become the first camera company to smash out of the antiquated 35/MF paradigm. "Formats" are a thing of the past ( and have been for a while -- just nobody's had the balls to say so). The future is about systems, and the vision and ergonomics that accompany them.

Leica has hit the sweet-spot, imho, on the camera-size / file size chart. This camera could be a world beater, especially coupling Leica optics to a large sensor.

......but.......

Price??? I can own a second-hand 39MP MF system, with lenses, for about what the *body* is rumoured to be costing here?!?!?! F'getabouit.

And the lenses. Um, er, where are the zooms? TS lenses are nice, but who gives fuck. Really. Seriously. It's called a "view" camera. Goes on a tripod with a (now) dirt cheap MF back covering 4x5 in multiple frames. Costs so much less you can buy an investment bank with the change from the prices people are throwing around here.

For the other 99.5% of shooters who couldn't give rat's ass about T/S, where are the zooms? HELLO IN THERE. Zoooooooooooom lenses!!! They're these cool things where you can, like, totally change the focal length just by turning a ring, eh. It's like, so totally awesome. Fixed focal length, on the other hand, is like, so totally 1960.

Sharp, sure. Whatever. On a camera meant to compete with high-end 35mm Nikon and Canon, there MUST BE core zoom lenses. And fast ones at that.


And here's the kicker.......what if the rumours about Nikon's "MX" format are true? It'll deliver thrice the ISO performance, and a third the price, I bet. And it will actually be available for purchase in that nifty, here's-my-money-hand-me-my-camera-I-have -shoot-tomorrow kind of way.

with zoom lenses.


So, cheering and booing.

We live in interesting times.

- N.

This post has been edited by ndevlin: Sep 22 2008, 08:45 PM

[Leonardo Barreto]

... and camera controls, there seams to be an FPS-CS-OFF lever and the 4 Phase One buttons in the back, plus one dial in the back and one on top... this is the most bare dialed camera I have seen, makes my D300 look so PRO and sophisticated... @20K EU ??

[klane]

another overpriced 3:2 slr. yawn.

[gwhitf]

another overpriced 3:2 slr. yawn.

If, in fact, it is priced in Euros, then, at today's rates, (not that the body is even finished; it's still balsa wood), then it would convert to:

$ 29,570.01 USD

and that's for the body alone. And extra for the floor mats.

Add three Leica lenses to that figure, and you've got a Second Mortgage. But oops, you're upside down in your house, so that means that a Second Mortgage is not available. Sorry.

So that sends you to Miami to join up with ScarFace, to raise the funds.

This post has been edited by gwhitf: Sep 22 2008, 09:41 PM

[BrianSmith]

If, in fact, it is priced in Euros, then, at today's rates, (not that the body is even finished; it's still balsa wood), then it would convert to:

$ 29,570.01 USD

and that's for the body alone.

So that sends you to Miami to join up with ScarFace, to raise the funds.

Gwitf,

You'll be making that much in a month once your Gwitf Autograph Softboxes hit the the shelves of Home Depot...

[paul_jones]

as far as i can see, its missing a dedicated af focus button .

i still havnt figured out how people can use the shutter button to focus on anything thats not dead center.

paul

[James R Russell]

r for 35mm.
James seems to be loving his 1DsMIII.
I wonder James how often are yougrabbing tha Contax these days?

More with the Canon than the Contax. A lot more, but some of that is just project specfic, though a lot of it is the Canons go to higher iso.

I don't see any dynamic range difference, but then again that's why God made foam core, and the color of the Canons is very good, the file holds up well.

I do wish it had less of an AA filter or whatever gives it a little less bite, but it's not so obvious that it can't be overcome with some sharpening.

I actually don't mind the Canons tethering software. it's a little disjointed but the previews are very nice and full screen and now running windows it tethers fast.

The thing about the Canon is it's inexpensive, which is kind of crazy to think of a $7,000 still camera as inexpensive, but looking at the last 4 or 5 new annoucements it is laughable inexpensive and you can buy it today . . . anywhere.

JR

[pss]

The thing about the Canon is it's inexpensive, which is kind of crazy to think of a $7,000 still camera as inexpensive, but looking at the last 4 or 5 new annoucements it is laughable inexpensive and you can buy it today . . . anywhere.

JR

that's the problem....the 5dmkII will do even better high iso and HD video for 2500.....that is just hard to beat....

[James R Russell]

the big thing that im sure this camera would really blow away the canon as far as im concerned is that it should have decent software and tethering. that is by far the worst aspect of the canon, completely crap software. hats off to leica to team up with a proven, professional software company.

paul

Paul,

Do you really think it's going to blow away a P30+ and they are lowering the price of that back, probably to 12 grand or something. Put that on a H-1 and you saved at least $30,000 U.S. with lenses.

Now nobody knows what the Leica will be like, but do you really think that since it has a ccd it's going to have a clean iso above 400?

I like the looks of the Leica, but for the price and working every day, I don't know, I think I'd rather have a couple of 5d 2's and a p30 or A65, or even that blad with the p30 sensor.

In reality, none of the cameras announced will do everything, I guess that's asking too much.

The Leica if it was ready today still will probalby have low iso, the Phase p65 goes to 1600 but at 15mpx . . . whatever . . . the Leaf and the new sinar look interesting, but they also will probably not go to 800 iso real clean since they are ccd's and of all the new annoucements other than the 5d they all range from semi expensive to off the scale expensive.

So for me, I guess what I own will do everything I need other than shoot motion.

Now, if I could buy a 5dII right now I'd buy 2.



JR

This post has been edited by James R Russell: Sep 22 2008, 11:41 PM