For the Hy6, F&H are announcing... Options

[BJNY]

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[SeanBK]

..........Still, why can't they make the whole thing black?

JR

Few years back I was in Paris w/my H1 - needed a small repair - went to a studio & they had a Hasselblad H series in Japanese/Fuji version which was completely black. No chrome, I thought it looked cool, I was going to swap mine w/fujiBlad till I found out that being Fuji version, the warranty won't be honoured in States, but EU is fine.
May be you can get one in Europe, though I realize you don't like Hassey...so just FYI.

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[James R Russell]

I was yesterday at the Photokina ...
of F & H was standing with a tape off, but nobody was in front
by the news was nothing to see (a pity)
I believe in a rear showcase was the cable release but without description
and gone over to see for details
only wonder why F & H have a stand there ...

Adina

I really wonder why these trades shows exist because it doesn't seem like anything annouced can be bought within a definate date.

Maybe it's like some insurance convention it's just an excuse to play soccer and party late into the night.

I'm sure we will see a few Viking hat videos soon.

I've only been to Photo East in NY once for about 15 minutes, Photo West in LA once (for about 5 minutes) and both times I realized it really wasn't a place for photographers to meet, but was geared more towards photographic sales people.

Kind of the ultimate Shriner convention, minus the little motorcycles and cone head hats.

Still, I look at all of these annoucements and it's pretty much the same stuff in different wrappers, with not one even semi pretty photograph shot with any of these new cameras.

The Leica doesn't surprise me, or wow me, in fact I kind of wonder what it or any of this will do that I can't do already.

I guess the word evolution is correct, though all of these evolutions costs serious money.

The Phase finally has a right angle grip and some new lenses and I kind of think that's interesting until I realize my Contax has all of that, is paid for and is 1/3 the price of the phamamiya.

The only difference is I can buy a right angle grip for the Contax today and I wonder how long before one hits the shelves in medium format land.

For the photographer probably the best part of Photokina is all of these "upgrades" will drive the currrent prices down, so in a month or so it probably is a good time to pick up an A-22 or a P-45.

Look at the Hasselblad announcement. Obviously there was some extra margins in those prices if they can cut them 40%.

JR

This post has been edited by James R Russell: Sep 24 2008, 10:26 AM

[thsinar]

here, in German, but with pics:

http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Als-Portr...4120-mm-HFT-PQS

Best regards,
Thierry

The more AF lenses the better for the adoption of the Hy6/AFI platform.

According to Thierry at another forum, the AF 120mm is NOT a macro
whereas the manual-focus 120mm is.  Is this correct?

[woof75]

I really wonder why these trades shows exist because it doesn't seem like anything annouced can be bought within a definate date. 

Maybe it's like some insurance convention it's just an excuse to play soccer and party late into the night.

I'm sure we will see a few Viking hat videos soon.

I've only been to Photo East in NY once for about 15 minutes, Photo West in LA once (for about 5 minutes)  and both times I realized it really wasn't a place for photographers to meet, but was geared more towards photographic sales people. 

Kind of the ultimate Shriner convention, minus the little motorcycles and cone head hats.

Still, I look at all of these annoucements and it's pretty much the same stuff in different wrappers, with not one even semi pretty photograph shot with any of these new cameras.

The Leica doesn't surprise me, or wow me, in fact I kind of wonder what it or any of this will do that I can't do already.

I guess the word evolution is correct, though all of these evolutions costs serious money.

The Phase finally has a right angle grip and some new lenses and I kind of think that's interesting until I realize my Contax has all of that, is paid for and is 1/3 the price of the phamamiya.

The only difference is I can buy a right angle grip for the Contax today and I wonder how long before one hits the shelves in medium format land.

For the photographer probably the best part of Photokina is all of these "upgrades" will drive the currrent prices down, so in a month or so it probably is a good time to pick up an A-22 or a P-45.

Look at the Hasselblad announcement.  Obviously there was some extra margins in those prices if they can cut them 40%.

JR

I think your right about picking up some of the older stuff. I mean there are so many great backs around that are a couple of generations old, all the kinks are worked out, there cheap and available now. Thats the great advancement from the last 2 years.

This post has been edited by woof75: Sep 24 2008, 11:54 AM

[dustblue]

EXACTLY.

Look at the Hasselblad announcement.  Obviously there was some extra margins in those prices if they can cut them 40%.

JR

[EPd]

Ok, I see some things in this thread that I would like to straighten out. First off: as far as my information goes the cable release as shown does NOT have mirror lockup. Not sure this will be a problem in practice as the mirror produces very little vibration, but still. I think Yair is speaking about the cable release that connects directly to the Leaf back. But the one that connects to the body does not have it. So yes, the camera has mirror lockup (through an on-body button and through the back controls), but it cannot be activated through the external cable jack. Please Yair or Thierry, correct me if I'm wrong. (I really wish I am wrong this time.)



Now, the two-color scheme: anyone who has seen this camera in real life knows that it is NOT blue, but very distinctly dark cool grey with black. Much more subtle than on most pictures I have seen so far. Still, I did notice that the ones shown in the Sinar booth look more contrasted than those in the Leaf and F&H booth. It probably has to do with some metamerism-effect due to the lightsources used in the respective booths.

120mm Lenses: the Macro Apogon 120, the AF Apogon 120 and the AFD Apogon 120 are all based on the exact same optical design, formerly known as the Zeiss Macro Planar 120mm. The license to use the Zeiss brand name has expired, but the glass elements of these lenses still come from Zeiss. The difference between the AF versions and the non-AF version is that the non-AF version (the Macro Apogon) has a shorter minimum focusing distance (80cm against 115cm) and it is also much more compact. Of course all can be used with extension tubes or bellows to get closer. So now this macro lens can also be used by the James Russells of this world because it has AF. The AF Apogon can be used on both the 6008AF and the Hy6 because it has an aperture ring, while the AFD-version is meant to be used on Hy6 only (aperture setting through the camera).



35mm AFD-Flektogon: there have been some serious problems with this lens. Without going into details, the outcome was that it had to be redesigned from scratch after an earlier prototype had existed. The new design is now finished and F&H are eagerly waiting for the elements to arrive in order to be able to place them in the barrel. The design now consists out of 11 lenses in 8 groups of glass with a very high breaking index. One aspherical element is part of the design too. The image circle will cover the full 6x6 surface. It is especially interesting that Jenoptik -who have no specific interest in film use- wanted this full coverage with good sharpness into the very corners. The earlier prototype had soft corners, but it would have been fine for use with 645 sensors only.

DB adapter for Rollei xAct2: it takes the Hy6 interfaced backs from Sinar and Leaf. On the camera side the sliding adapter is based on the Alpa mount system.




6x6 Film back: the prototype is finished and working, ready to be prepared for production. Unfortunately some new and expensive tooling is needed to make the back, and while everybody at the F&H factory is busy churning out Hy6 cameras and lenses that is not going to help. Expected to be available early 2009. The back takes both 120 and 220 roll film. A very interesting detail is that it can be rotated, although is is square only. The advantage of this is that you can decide how you want your images orientated upright on a roll of film. Some like to view the rolls horizontally and some like them vertically. Anyway, you won't have to turn your head anylonger. Note the double set of contacts that can be seen on the edge of the prototype back. I took a quick shot for easier understanding:



The silver laminar drawslide on the picture will be replaced with a matt black one in the production version, just like they are in the older backs for the 6008. To my eye the Hy6 looks very handsome with this film bac attached. You can now clearly see the Volvo design resemblance that the Hy6 was aimed at.

[gwhitf]

I think your right about picking up some of the older stuff. I mean there are so many great backs around that are a couple of generations old, all the kinks are worked out, there cheap and available now. Thats the great advancement from the last 2 years.

That's what I've learned about this Photokina thing -- what you do is, ignore the current Photokina, and google the website for the prior Photokina, two years ago, and then study up on what was announced there. Because, chances are, the stuff that was announced two years ago is just now shipping in normal volumes, and they've fixed all the initial bugs.

Stay two years behind the curve, and your satisfaction will be much larger, (and your initial investment will be much smaller). Both are good things.

I agree -- that P45 (not the plus), is going to get affordable pretty soon. Same will go for other items that were announced at that time.

[BrianSmith]

Kind of the ultimate Shriner convention, minus the little motorcycles and cone head hats.
JR

While you were writing this, Ann just bought Rosie a Fez and a tiny motorcycle...

[James R Russell]

While you were writing this,............

I think what's interesting about all of this is Hasselblad dropped the biggest bomb at Photokina with just an e-mail.

Is Hasselblad actually there, because I've seen nothing from them, but it kind of goes to show you that you can have an impact with just a pdf, a laptop and a willingness to cut the prices.

JR

[BrianSmith]

I think what's interesting about all of this is Hasselblad dropped the biggest bomb at Photokina with just an e-mail.

JR

I think it's great.

I've been saying forever that the problem with MFDB pricing is the upgrade path that forces each new model to be more expensive than the last. If Canon did the same thing, the IDs3 would probably cost sixteen grand.

$33K for a H3II60 including body is a lot more realistic than over $40K for a 65+

I can't wait until tomorrow when Yair is going to announce that Leaf is dropping their prices 60% and throwing in Broadway show tickets...ooops sorry I wasn't supposed to say anything...everybody act surprised when Yair "breaks" the news, ok?

[EPd]

Is Hasselblad actually there, because I've seen nothing from them, but it kind of goes to show you that you can have an impact with just a pdf, a laptop and a willingness to cut the prices.

JR

Yes, I noticed the the sign "for Hasselblad guests only" at the opening in the fence around their champaign and caviar area. There was also something to do for Joe Anybody: a white dressed girl in a white plastic snow landscape was lit by about ten thousand watts of HMI light. Around her some guys with H-cameras were firing, plus some eighty would-be's with 35mm DSLRs. And they had white plastic grass on the ground all over their area, next to the black Leica labyrinth. Both Leica and Hasselblad have an ability to immerse you in their own marketing world like none of the other players in the field of photography. I wasn't able to find any information on their new equipment, BTW. (And on a side note: the Leica S2 was not on display in the public area. Behind a heavily guarded corridor in their catering wall I could see older people in suits and dresses gather around displays with invisible content, while hostesses handed out exquisite consumables.)

[hcubell]

I think what's interesting about all of this is Hasselblad dropped the biggest bomb at Photokina with just an e-mail.

Is Hasselblad actually there, because I've seen nothing from them, but it kind of goes to show you that you can have an impact with just a pdf, a laptop and a willingness to cut the prices.

JR

Hasselblad is there at Photokina, alright, but they are saving their big announcement about a new electronic cable release for Friday.

[pixjohn]

I asked in another thread with no response so i thought I would give this thread a chance to ask.

Anyone use the focusing bracketing successfully with the Afi camera? I just did a shot with a Leaf Aptus 75 and H2 and changed the focus manually. Now I am trying to piece it together in Photoshop. As you know when you change focus you also change the crop. Does the software correct the adjustments in post automatically? Does it work with people in the shots?

John

[BrianSmith]

And on a side note: the Leica S2 was not on display in the public area. Behind a heavily guarded corridor in their catering wall I could see older people in suits and dresses gather around displays with invisible content, while hostesses handed out exquisite consumables.

Whoa! That's exactly how I roll....

Visible content is vastly over-rated.

I'll take the hostesses with exquisite consumables.

[EricWHiss]

I could see older people in suits and dresses gather around displays with invisible content, while hostesses handed out exquisite consumables.)

LOL! Very well worded, EPd!

And thank you for the F&H update.
Eric

[xinchenc]

Ok, I see some things in this thread that I would like to straighten out. First off: as far as my information goes the cable release as shown does NOT have mirror lockup. Not sure this will be a problem in practice as the mirror produces very little ....

Thanks for the F&H update.

[EPd]

Thanks for the F&H update.

Addendum regarding the mirror lockup of the cable release: Thierry has specified that it does not have a classical mirror lockup, but with some settings on the camera something which comes close can be activated: http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=224524

[foto-z]

Addendum regarding the mirror lockup of the cable release: Thierry has specified that it does not have a classical mirror lockup, but with some settings on the camera something which comes close can be activated: http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=224524

It's not a big deal. I assume there's a MLU on the camera somewhere which can be activated first, then the remote control can be used to make the capture. You still get the mechanical isolation from the body that way when you press the shutter release, which is why I use it.

[Carl Glover]

I did a shoot last week in Old Street, London where I had to photograph people in a room - they had to move about to make interesting abstract blurs (art-director's idea). The mirror was up all the time (as I'd worked out the appropriate exposure) while the camera took various photographs from the same location.

It worked fine.