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RicAgu
I just read on the Phase forum that Ulf has recieved his P45+ back in NYC on Monday April 2, 2007.

If it has arrived I hope that he will post a raw shot that we can download and see it at 800 and also, what of the P30+. Are they a bit delayed?

Does any dealer have a PLUS back yet to test?

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clawery
Ric,

We just received our P45+ Hasselblad V yesterday. We will have some test shots to post very shortly.


Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration
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BlasR
What about p25+ any one have it yet?


BlasR
RicAgu
Wonderful Chris!!!

Look forward to seeing the files! Please try to do some backlit people stuff if you can. Any news on the P30+?

All the Best,


Ric


QUOTE (clawery @ Apr 4 2007, 04:11 PM)
Ric,

We just received our P45+ Hasselblad V yesterday.  We will have some test shots to post very shortly. 
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration
(404)522-7662
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michael
I've been told as well that P45+ V backs were produced last week and that P45+ H backs are now starting or about to start production. Phase has told me that they're trying to get me one before I leave for my Amazon shoot on Friday, April 13th.

All of the various models should enter production over the weeks ahead. I'll see if I can find out what the schedule is.

Michael
Ben Rubinstein
QUOTE (michael @ Apr 4 2007, 09:32 PM)
I've been told as well that P45+ V backs were produced last week and that P45+ H backs are now starting or about to start production. Phase has told me that they're trying to get me one before I leave for my Amazon shoot on Friday, April 13th.

All of the various models should enter production over the weeks ahead. I'll see if I can find out what the schedule is.

Michael
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It's amazing isn't it how you always end up going on a shoot with a new peice of gear landing on your doorstep seconds before you leave!
digitalcameraman
[quote=RicAgu,Apr 4 2007, 01:09 PM]
I just read on the Phase forum that Ulf has recieved his P45+ back in NYC on Monday April 2, 2007.

If it has arrived I hope that he will post a raw shot that we can download and see it at 800 and also, what of the P30+. Are they a bit delayed?

Does any dealer have a PLUS back yet to test?


I have just received my P45 V Plus camera back in Florida.
www.imageproduction.com

The wait has been worth it. The preview screen is beatiful and crisp. Great contrast and sharpness, perfect for checking focus.

I have done some standard Hasselblad test but this weekend will be capturing images with Camo Wide and various view cameras at local studios in Florida.

If anyone wants to test this new camera in Florida, please email me at chris@imageproduction.com

Come to Florida and learn Phase One cameras and software from Chris Snipes. 15 years experience in high end digital capture.

Visit our new Phase One Test studio in St Petersburg, FL. State of the art fashion and catalog studio for rent by the day. Test all the Phase One back at one time and see samples of large prints on display. Also see the custom 34 ft Production Motorhome complete with on board studio, 2 G5 computers, Epson printer, make up area, and wardrobe @ www.imageproduction.com


Chris Snipes
President
Image Production
150 22nd Street South
St Petersburg, FL 33712
813-335-2473
chris@imageproduction.com
www.imageproduction.com
michael
Ben, I know, it's uncanny. (Either that, of I travel too much).

The question now is, can Phase get me a P45+ and Canon a 1D MKIII in the next 7 days. Film (err, bits) at 11.

Michael
clawery
I'm attaching a link to show you some of the first tests that we run on the new P45+.
We will putting the back through several tests, and we will be posting when we have
the results. Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions.

http://tinyurl.com/yw2rpt

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
narikin
Chris where is that on your site - how do I navigate to it?
the tinyURL seems not to work for me

thanks
awofinden
So we're supposed to spend 6 grand on 1 extra frame every 30 seconds and better shaded screen performance but worse sun light on screen performance? I do hope the improved image quality is going to impress me.
michael
A heads-up to those who've asked – no. I won't be getting an H series P45+ in time for my Amazon shoot, which I leave on this coming Saturday (April 14). It appears that while V series production is underway, H series won't be ready in time.

A shame, since it would have been fascinating to use the H2 / P45+ in the rain forest.

I'm now waiting to see if Canon will be able to get me a 1D MKIII for testing on that shoot. It could be nip and tuck.

Michael
clawery
See if this link will work:

http://web.mac.com/mrdaveatlanta/iWeb/Capt...+%20Report.html


Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
pss
QUOTE (clawery @ Apr, 07:53 AM)
See if this link will work:

http://web.mac.com/mrdaveatlanta/iWeb/Capt...+%20Report.html
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration
  Cell  Office    Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
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the links work for me...thanks chris for getting this out....can't wait to see the difference in the files....
hcubell
QUOTE (awofinden @ Apr 11 2007, 11:02 AM)
So we're supposed to spend 6 grand on 1 extra frame every 30 seconds and better shaded screen performance but worse sun light on screen performance? I do hope the improved image quality is going to impress me.
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Perhaps it explains why the latest Phase "Newsletter" for the month in which it is shipping its Plus Series of MFDBs devotes so much time to an anti-Hasselblad diatribe and virtually nothing in the way of objective demonstrations of the improvements in these backs over their predecessors. I cannot recall seeing a more negative, defensive advertising piece. I infer from it the anxieties of a VERY insecure company. They do make very fine backs, but so does the competition, and the competition is taking steps to provide tools to phtographers that Phase simply cannot match.
Fred Ragland
QUOTE (hcubell @ Apr 11 2007, 05:41 PM)
...They do make very fine backs, but so does the competition, and the competition is taking steps to provide tools to phtographers  that Phase simply cannot match.
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pss
QUOTE (hcubell @ Apr, 09:41 AM)
Perhaps it explains why the latest Phase "Newsletter" for the month in which it is shipping its Plus Series of MFDBs devotes so much time to an anti-Hasselblad diatribe and virtually nothing in the way of objective demonstrations of the improvements in these backs over their predecessors. I cannot recall seeing a more negative, defensive advertising piece. I infer from it the anxieties of a VERY insecure company. They do make very fine backs, but so does the competition, and the competition is taking steps to provide tools to phtographers  that Phase simply cannot match.
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is this the same newsletter i received? which devotes (so much time!) less then 10% to a major concern photographers using all systems have about the future of the MF market?

virtually nothing to demonstrate? of course not! i am glad that they choose to objectively list some of the improvements and let me decide after testing if they are worth the admission!
i am glad that i don't get some crazy claims that i would not believe anyway...from no company....they have new pdfs with all the info, none of which matters to me anyway....why would i buy anything based on a pdf?

what are the tools that phase cannot provide? backs? software? workflow? i would be more then surprised to hear from anyone that phase is not at least a co-leader in all these aspects....
clawery
I think some of you may have misunderstood some of the information that we posted earlier.
It is a gain of 4 captures in 30 seconds tethered. It was a gain of 4 captures in 30 seconds shooting to a 4GB Extreme IV card, and a gain of 11 captures for the same scenario in 60 seconds.



Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
hcubell
QUOTE (pss @ Apr 11 2007, 02:00 PM)
is this the same newsletter i received? which devotes (so much time!) less then 10% to a major concern photographers using all systems have about the future of the MF market?

virtually nothing to demonstrate? of course not! i am glad that they choose to objectively list some of the improvements and let me decide after testing if they are worth the admission!
i am glad that i don't get some crazy claims that i would not believe anyway...from no company....they have new pdfs with all the info, none of which matters to me anyway....why would i buy anything based on a pdf?

what are the tools that phase cannot provide? backs? software? workflow? i would be more then surprised to hear from anyone that phase is not at least a co-leader in all these aspects....
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1. PDFs??? Who said anything about PDFs??? Phase should be able to actually demonstrate the supposed improvements. For starters, how about providing a bunch of raw files from a P45 and a P45+ shot side by side that effectively illustrate "Opticolor" and any other color/tonality improvements(i.e., the kind of side by side comparison you implied you had made when you offered your global assessment about the superiority of the P30 v. the H3D-31.) To its credit, look what Capture Integration is trying to do on its web page in assessing capture rates and the new LCD.

2. What can't Phase provide? The Hy6. The use of a 28mm lens with the H platform. The assurance of long-term access to a camera platform. You and others here on this forum may know that Contax is an excellent camera system that provides a viable platform for the Phase backs, but I really don't think it's a tenable, long term business model to be in the business of selling $30,000 digital backs to photographers and advising them to go buy a used camera, lenses and accessories for the back on eBay or from some guys in Hong Kong(MOST of whom are honest)?
pss
QUOTE (hcubell @ Apr, 11:27 AM)
1. PDFs??? Who said anything about PDFs??? Phase should be able to actually demonstrate the supposed improvements. For starters, how about providing a bunch of raw files from a P45 and a P45+ shot side by side that effectively illustrate "Opticolor" and any other color/tonality improvements(i.e., the kind of side by side comparison you implied you had made when you offered your global assessment about the superiority of the P30 v. the H3D-31.) To its credit, look what Capture Integration is trying to do on its web page in assessing capture rates and the new LCD.

2. What can't Phase provide? The Hy6. The use of a 28mm lens with the H platform. The assurance of long-term access to a camera platform. You and others here on this forum may know that Contax is an excellent camera system that provides a viable platform for the Phase backs, but I  really don't think it's a tenable, long term business model to be in the business of selling $30,000 digital backs to photographers and advising them to go buy a used camera, lenses and accessories for the back on eBay or from some guys in Hong Kong(MOST of whom are honest)?
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1. that is exactly what i mean....i have no interest in seeing a phase comparison on the web or printed in a pdf....i prefer to make make those comparisons myself....and i would encourage everybody to not rely an any companies marketing material to draw any conclusions...how are they supposed to include raw files in a newsletter?
i like what capture integration does and i am sure they will do some raw comparisons, which i think is great, but which also don't mean anything to me....

i remember a leaf sponsored comparison they offered as a pdf and on their website a couple of years ago....talk about shooting yourself in the foot....yes they compared their backs to other manufacturers backs, but in the end it is the same...i can make any raw file look good or bad, depending on how i process it....

i am not sure what my "global assessment about the superiority of the P30 v. the H3D-31" has to do with the phase newsletter or this post, but i can tell you that i compared raw files and had my own conclusion about that which i shared briefly as my own personal opinion and as always with such i recommend strongly to everybody to do the same......compare and find out what is right for you....

2.phase is a back manufacturer, does not make cameras or lenses, provides backs for all shipping cameras except for the H3 (which is hasselblads choice) and rolleis.....this should cover probably more then 90% of all MF and large format bodies every shipped.....

if you are concerned that you will be "stranded" with a phase back....you should definitely consider a H3D, which will provide happiness for decades to come.....

but i would check with last years hasselblad buyers who can't fit the 28 on their cameras, but i guess you would blame phase for that as well.....
Nick_T
QUOTE (pss @ Apr 13 2007, 10:35 AM)
if you are concerned that you will be "stranded" with a phase back....you should definitely consider a H3D, which will provide happiness for decades to come.....

but i would check with last years hasselblad buyers who can't fit the 28 on their cameras, but i guess you would blame phase for that as well.....
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If you want to use the 28MM lens you can upgrade your H2D to an H3D for 1000 euros.

Nick-T
pss
QUOTE (Nick_T @ Apr, 01:40 PM)
If you want to use the 28MM lens you can upgrade your H2D to an H3D for 1000 euros.

Nick-T
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which does not help me if i bought a H2/P45 a year ago with no indication whatsoever that i would not be able to use future lenses with my camera.....and i am pretty sure that at that point H2s outsold H2Ds at least 1:10 BECAUSE people wanted phase or leaf backs with their cameras.....

now everybody knows that the H system is closed and that you have to make a decision BEFORE you buy wether to go with hasselblad all the way or only with a hasselblad body.....

all this is hasselblads right and everybody can make their own decision....
James Russell
QUOTE (hcubell @ Apr 12 2007, 07:27 PM)
I  really don't think it's a tenable, long term business model to be in the business of selling $30,000 digital backs to photographers and advising them to go buy a used camera, lenses and accessories for the back on eBay or from some guys in Hong Kong(MOST of whom are honest)?
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Actually why not? We shot film cameras for 10 years and routinely ran $30,000 to $50,000 of film and processing through them every 12 months.

Still, there are other options than the Hasselblad and the not yet being sold HY6, so I don't understand what the panic about camera bodies is about.

Even with the mad rush to Contax where dealers like KEH has limited supply I can still go online and in one day have every body and lens contax sold and even at inflated prices, for thousands less than a Hasselblad H system and probably many thousands less than the HY6.

I can promise you if Phase sold a digital back to every Contax, RZ, Mamiya 645 and Hasselblad H owners they would be doing quite fine.

Still, if you want the straight, honest story on Phase I suggest you talk to either Chris Lawrey ro Dave Gallagher at Capture Integration in Atlanta.

I live in NY, work in LA, have a second studio in Dallas and can buy from anyone in the world and when buying Phase, Dave's group is in my opinion head and shoulders above every Phase dealer in the nation.

For Leaf or Hasselblad you will also get great honest service form Steve Hendrix, also in Atlanta.

Must be something in the water.

JR
hcubell
QUOTE (James Russell @ Apr 13 2007, 12:32 AM)
Still, if you want the straight, honest story on Phase I suggest you talk to either Chris Lawrey ro Dave Gallagher at Capture Integration in Atlanta. 

I live in NY, work in LA, have a second studio in Dallas and can buy from anyone in the world and when buying Phase, Dave's group is in my opinion head and shoulders above every Phase dealer in the nation.

For Leaf or Hasselblad you will also get great honest service form Steve Hendrix, also in Atlanta.

Must be something in the water.

JR
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I agree with you completely about Steve Hendrix and Dave Gallagher. My guess as to the reason why Steve Hendrix and Dave Gallagher are both in Atlanta is because one or the other was in Atlanta first, and if the guy representing the other MFDB maker(s) was to have a prayer of selling a back, he had to be as good as his competition. If you sell backs in NYC and your competition is Calumet, you have a lot of low hanging fruit given the quality of your competition.
Brady
James, it's just southern hospitality. we keep it simple 'round here. cool.gif

QUOTE (James Russell @ Apr 12 2007, 11:32 PM)
Still, if you want the straight, honest story on Phase I suggest you talk to either Chris Lawrey ro Dave Gallagher at Capture Integration in Atlanta. 

I live in NY, work in LA, have a second studio in Dallas and can buy from anyone in the world and when buying Phase, Dave's group is in my opinion head and shoulders above every Phase dealer in the nation.

For Leaf or Hasselblad you will also get great honest service form Steve Hendrix, also in Atlanta.

Must be something in the water.

JR
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CliffSamys
QUOTE (Nick_T @ Apr 12 2007, 01:40 PM)
If you want to use the 28MM lens you can upgrade your H2D to an H3D for 1000 euros.

Nick-T
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This was before the rate increase. As of April 2, 2007 a H2D 39 to H3D 39 now costs $13,000.
JTFOTO
Cliff,

I have been quoted $5,000 to upgrade my H1D to a H3D 31 or $10,000 for 39. They said when I was ready they may be able to do it for less if I purchase a 28mm.

Can you meet or beat that?

JT

QUOTE (CliffSamys @ Apr 14 2007, 12:31 PM)
This was before the rate increase. As of April 2, 2007 a H2D 39 to H3D 39 now costs $13,000.
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CliffSamys
Nope, I sure can't. That's the old pricing. If your dealer will still honor that quote, do it now right now.

QUOTE (JTFOTO @ Apr 14 2007, 08:35 PM)
Cliff,

I have been quoted $5,000 to upgrade my H1D to a H3D 31 or $10,000 for 39.  They said when I was ready they may be able to do it for less if I purchase a 28mm.

Can you meet or beat that?

JT
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clawery
I wanted everyone to see what Dave Gallagher just posted on our blog from the International Phase One Dealer Meeting. It will show you what Phase One will be releasing in the next few months.

http://web.mac.com/mrdaveatlanta/iWeb/Capt...rt/Archive.html


or


http://tinyurl.com/yw2rpt


Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
mtomalty
Thanks for that,Chris but v4.0 LE only in Q3 is a bit of a disappointment.
That's gotta mean that it will be a stretch for v4.0 Pro to make it much before the end of the year.

It's tough to see from the screenshots but are there any major changes in C1 that can
be reported on without compromising any NDA's?

Please tell me they,at least, have a chromatic aberration control slider built in somewhere :>))
Throw a bone to us lowly dslr users!

Mark
william
Chris,

Any updates on the shipment schedule of the Plus backs for various mounts? And will current P series owners who paid the Plus price (and received a "regular" non-Plus back in the meantime pending shipment of the Plus backs) just be sent the new backs when available or is there a queue we should be getting in? (I bought my P30 from you guys)

QUOTE (clawery @ Apr 16 2007, 07:40 PM)
I wanted everyone to see what Dave Gallagher just posted on our blog from the International Phase One Dealer Meeting.  It will show you what Phase One will be releasing in the next few months.

http://web.mac.com/mrdaveatlanta/iWeb/Capt...rt/Archive.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/yw2rpt
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195  Cell
(404)522-7662  Office
(404)522-7929  Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
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narikin
QUOTE (william @ Apr 16 2007, 05:51 PM)
Any updates on the shipment schedule of the Plus backs for various mounts? And will current P series owners who paid the Plus price (and received a "regular" non-Plus back in the meantime pending shipment of the Plus backs) just be sent the new backs when available or is there a queue we should be getting in? (I bought my P30 from you guys)
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I got the call today that my Contax P45+ is being FedEx'd to me tomorrow.
so they are beginning to ship in all mounts by the sound of it.

looking forward to it.
clawery
William,

The Plus backs are starting to ship now. Shoot me an e-mail with your information
and Dave and I will get you a more solid ship time.

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
clawery
Mark,

Let me see if I can get you some more detailed info on what 4.0 will offer
to DSLR users.

Thank you,

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com
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