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walter.sk
I calibrated and made a profile for a Bergger PN33 paper on the Z3100ps. I got a print with gray splotches in highly saturated areas. I went back and softproofed the image in CS3, using the Bergger profile I had generated, and the Out Of Gamut warning covered areas of the picture with the dreaded gray.

I down loaded Bergger's new Z3100 profile for that paper. When I softproofed the same image in CS3 using their canned profile, *nothing* in the image showed up as out of gamut. Their canned profile was much better than the one generated by my Z3100.

I had selected Fine Art Paper >250 gsm, as this paper is 300 gsm. It is also textured.
I used the profiling target that would fit on 13x19 sheets, which is the size of the paper I have.

Is this the best I can expect from the Z3100 advanced profiling software and builit in spectro combination? I went back and softproofed some images for the Epson Enhanced Matte profile I made, and it, too, showed Out Of Gamut areas.

There's gotta be a better way, for example, to know what paper-types to choose in setting up the printer for profiling. I downloaded the latest HP white paper on profiling non-HP papers, but that still leaves a large, vague and unspecified area of information needed for us to make the best choice for a given paper.

I also checked out the Wikipedia website where some information about Z3100 profiles are posted, but that was not much help with the Bergger paper.

I think it would be good on the Luminous Landscape forums to have a spot for Z3100 profiles, not necessarily to post profiles, but at least the choices of paper type that have produced successful profiles using the built in spectro and APS.
rdonson
QUOTE (walter.sk @ Nov 26 2007, 10:22 AM)
I calibrated and made a profile for a Bergger PN33 paper on the Z3100ps.  I got a print with gray splotches in highly saturated areas.  I went back and softproofed the image in CS3, using the Bergger profile I had generated, and the Out Of Gamut warning covered areas of the picture with the dreaded gray.

I down loaded Bergger's new Z3100 profile for that paper.  When I softproofed the same image in CS3 using their canned profile, *nothing* in the image showed up as out of gamut.  Their canned profile was much better than the one generated by my Z3100.

I had selected Fine Art Paper >250 gsm, as this paper is 300 gsm.  It is also textured.
I used the profiling target that would fit on 13x19 sheets, which is the size of the paper I have.

Is this the best I can expect from the Z3100 advanced profiling software and builit in spectro combination?  I went back and softproofed some images for the Epson Enhanced Matte profile I made, and it, too, showed Out Of Gamut areas.

There's gotta be a better way, for example, to know what paper-types to choose in setting up the printer for profiling.  I downloaded the latest HP white paper on profiling non-HP papers, but that still leaves a large, vague and unspecified area of information needed for us to make the best choice for a given paper.

I also checked out the Wikipedia website where some information about Z3100 profiles are posted, but that was not much help with the Bergger paper.

I think it would be good on the Luminous Landscape forums to have a spot for Z3100 profiles, not necessarily to post profiles, but at least the choices of paper type that have produced successful profiles using the built in spectro and APS.
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You don't mention how the print came out with the Bergger's profile. The proof is in the pudding so to speak. Softproofing is one thing, the actual output another. I have a lot of images that will show out of gamut on most if not all matte papers even on the best profiles. Its not a matter of the profile, its a limitation with the paper. You can't expect matte papers to have the same gamut and DMax as a glossy or satin paper.

You also don't mention if you made any adjustments to the image for printing based on softproofing.

FWIW I think you chose the proper paper type for creating the profile. What options were you using for creating the profile? (profile version, luminant, etc.)
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