oh whatever.
think what you want.
I never advertise my workshops here nor on other forums, but it is what I do most indeed, let and let live.

I searched....Is GWC an abbreviation for Grown Wounded Child?
http://www.abbreviations.com/GWC

Male fantasies indeed!

Female fashion photograhy is controlled by women, homosexuals or straight people with business at the fore of their minds.

The target market is other women.

There is no further basis for argument.

Rob C

Guy I worked with owned a software company, manufacturing, mostly chemicals such as paints. He sometimes had a photo of his golden retriever in an ad. When the software got distro'd to SE Asia, he got some major complaints. Why? Some customers were offended by the "flaunting of wealth" that such a beautiful dog connoted. BTW, the only bad thing about art is bad art. -Dale Thorn. Also by D.Thorn - "If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth taking out of the wrapper."

back to the work I love to do....

CSP... and other nuts here that felt the same way...
Maybe you lay down on a couch and ask the man with the notepad, why you saw literal slavery and abuse in those images?
My first thoughts about what statement the images were making were in the line of the woman
trying to escape the cage like pressures, routines, limitations that most people face every day.
A bit like this cheesy illlustration from the getty website... but better!

So maybe analise you own mind before you start abusing the possible intentions of others.

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Ahhh!!!! Should have recognized it...done it 3 times in each direction in ONE DAY on a motorbike!

Davos to Stelvio (Top Gear)


Sorry everyone for stealing the thread but maybe we need a bit of a break as the heat here builds up?

Nice Work Witz.

@Witz,
Lovely toning on the shots, love the second especially.

Man, That's hard work!!
I'm tired enough after a few runs in my Audi

It's one of my favourite passes actually, it's just bonkers.

(seen the TG thing before as well - nicely done)

Very nice stuff witz, and i agree lovely tone on the second shot.

Thanks for the link to Youtube...gorgeous.

Frank,
I would just like to say that I so much enjoy your work that you have posted on this forum. Your use of light in photography is truly amazing. You always seem to surprise me with new "looks" to your images. A review of your portfolio shows the inspiring breadth of your work. I have reviewed many works of other photographers on this forum and you are certainly one of the best. I also truly appreciate all the time you take out of your busy schedule to answer questions and post reviews of new cameras such as the Leaf Afi 7. You are truly a gifted and prolific artist. As always, I look forward to your next post.

Rich

3rd one is fantastic. Great light and color.

#3, love it

Too big!!! I'm going to print it and hang it on my wall.

Awesome shot Don, I really like your photographic style.

thanks folks...

Would you believe #3 was lit with a $6 flashlight.... 30 sec exposure with a hand held flashlight moving around... painting with light I guess..... fun. I have a whole book of these image I shot at an old arcade game room.

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I know there's no money in stuff like this... but I just adore cropping in on the past all beat up and abused.

next project I'm going to do is photograph the few hundred old cameras I have laying around.... There are a few italian 35's that have the coolest art deco thing going on.

Will be looking out for that series.

Witz,
Images from both sets are really great! Thanks for sharing!

thanks.... the 1st image of the fellow I'm very pleased with.... now if only I could get Michael Jordan or Barak Obama to sit in on this set!

It's sad to say but so many mega careers where the outcome of a famous setting.... Yusof Karsh ( Churchill ), Herb Ritz ( Richard Gear ), Avadon ( Natasha Kinski ), Annie Lebowitz ( god... countless )

I'm not saying I'm of their caliber... but what if?

Amen to that.
Fashion photography is really quite sexless.
The most high quality sexual ones are really gay men projecting their feminine ideal. Best guys at it...mert and marcus. beautiful work and disturbing at the same time.

Glamour photography is more in line with the whole sex thing.

Sex is still better than photography though.

One from last week.

Particularly since this is a Medium Format Digital forum, I think it is safe to say that most here are professional photographers or are very very serious photographers who know better.

As a professional photographer, I am sensitive to individuals "stealing" images, violating copyright, etc. I do not think that the above comment---implying stealing the image from the web (this post) and printing it--- is appropriate. Even if stated in jest, I find it to be out of line. I know that Iron Creek Photography has the mentioned image for sale, and to simply steal it from the web and manipulate it to a printable medium for display is wholly criminal.

I do thank Michael R. for offering us the opportunity to share recent works in this thread, but I doubt the intention was a free-for-all to steal images for display outside of this thread.

I do note that you have images posted in your own gallery, Ed, that you have for sale. I doubt you would be very obliging to any individual stating they were simply going to right-click and print your images and make some nice postcards. With some of the web images here such as panoramics, it is not difficult to print them much larger yet. And that's just wrong.

I would rather not see those big intrusive watermarks all over these gorgeous images that everyone here is sharing, but with blatant comments like, "I'm going to print it and hang it on my wall"----now I understand.

Ed

Thank you for your kind words and support as well as showing me a glaring hole in my security. While it's much like closing the barn door after the horses have run off I have nevertheless made the original posted image smaller and have added a watermark. Since I am selling this image as a limited edition starting at $400 I should have had better security on it from the start.

While I doubt that any professional would print an image off a screen post I am equally sure there are many "visitors" who have done just that and professional photographer be damned.

don

Jesus, did someone leave the facility door unlocked today or something?

I think you´ll find the late Richard Avedon´s fame was earned way before Natasha´s time... perhaps you were thinking of someone else.

In general, though, careers are made like that: it takes an oppportunity of something bigger than the fame of the snapper to make the snapper more famous.

As has been said over and over again, this is a business that you should never approach with too firm an expectation. The world is full of failed but good photographers.

Rob C

I agree; the others leave me cold.

Rob C

Ken,

I apologize that you were offended by my comment. I think most who frequent this forum are sensitive to work being used without permission or appropriate compensation.

I was simply making a joke at Don's comment "Sorry if it is too big." Like having too much money or too much time for photography.

Like you I would hate to see watermarks but I think it would be in Don's best interest to downsize to 1024 or smaller for web posting, galleries and blogs.

... and two from a couple of days ago...

Looking through recent Frank Doorhof pictures, I find them far too technical-looking for my tastes. BUT, look at his Post No. 524 of April 25, 2008, 08.29 PM: I think it is one of the best darn shots I have seen in years. Wish it were mine.

Rob C

Hi,
You can see more on www.frankdoorhof.com/portfolio

I have thought about the stir this post has caused and still don't get it, what DOES jump out is that the people shouting the most are never showing their own work,.........

I expect that on DPR or some other forums but not on this forum, to be honest it's the only place I did not expect it, and it's the only place it DID happen
Go figure

Flüela Pass, Switzerland.

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7 image stitch.

Summer at the seaside in Britain!

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The white structure on stilts is a lighthouse which was built in 1832 and remains an active aid to navigation along the Bristol Channel. The man walking his dog got very wet as I did 2 minutes after this shot from the approaching rain cloud! (2 shot stitch with P45+ 645II 75-150 lens in CS3)

I can see how that could happen to you

Ok guys.. breathe =)

Isn't this the topic for showing digital medium format works, not stating to the world how much you dislike photographer A or B?

Of course you are entitled to like or not like a certain photographers work, but it is your personal opinion and not the opinion of everyone. Proclaiming your distaste in this thread is not really productive and will just lead to one thing and that is the moderators closing the thread.

And me for one do enjoy watching ALL the images in this thread, good, bad and ugly *cue whistle music from Morricone here*

So, back to the pictures please? And i would post but i only have scanned digital images from medium format. No digital back for this poor sod yet ;D

There have been more scanned analogue MF images in this thread and as far as I recall nobody is bothered by that. (it better be an excellent image scanned with skills )

The ones that have been shown here were actually very good!

I don´t quite know how to take that, particularly as I hardly ever post on this particular thread/section because I have no MF camera any more and my sole interest is in looking at photographs, some of which I enjoy very much and others which I couldn´t care less about. But that is always just my opinion, nothing cast in stone, cement or even waxwork.

The same might apply to Frank´s latest post, as I don´t remember writing anything much about him - perhaps his post wasn´t meant for me, but who can tell: obviously, I can´t.

As for the point of criticism. I don´t think there is any criticism in a pejorative sense in my recent post. I am simply stating that one specific shot blowns my head off, whilst others from the same man do not and I explained why. Something wrong with that? Perhaps the wrong opinion, or just an extension of what Ray is finding on his doorstep?

And as for Michael closing the thread - why on Earth would he do that? This isn´t a religious forum (is it?) nor particularly politically correct, thank God; maybe some think les of Michael´s maturity than do I.

Professional photographers cannot afford to be prima donnas. The moment you get into that bag you are lost. I have been there, briefly, and found the price too high to be worth the candle. If you think your stuff worth posting, then that´s enough justification for any one person. To expect the world to do a sycophantic tango about your legs is bullshit. And it doesn´t matter: clients count, not other snappers.

Anyhow, it´s nice to see what goes for pro photography today.

Rob C

When you look back the whole thing is caused by two people (one in particulair) look at that ones posts and you will find most is not participating but looking for trouble.

I think that some other posters are extra "careful" now and maybe read too much between the lines, just relax, ignore the "trolls" and post beautiful work.

I was agreeing with you on the emotion of the photographs.... they are intended to be"cold" as they were shot for a healthcare outdoor campaign and " harsh reality " was the objective.

But..... #1 & #2 required much more skill to accomplish then the #3 image....

I do not post negative feedback on the forum... my mum taught me the if I can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Mamiya ZD camera, 80mm AF
From the last session.

Woww, love this one Michael.
Thank's for sharing.

Does anyone remember the 50s Studebaker that looked the same from both ends?

Rob C

Ah Frank, that it were that simple or that easy!

Much beautiful work has been posted, but that´s just my opinion and so how can it matter or be true? Much neutral material has also seen the light of day, but again, how could anyone, least of all myself, be able to tell? Rubbish, too, has been highlighted, but as with the former groups, who can tell which is which?

You begin to see the problems? You understand how impossible it is for anyone other than an idiot to nod his head and claim that all images published here are created equal?

I infer from your most recent posts that you are less than happy that I have found one of your pictures to be wonderful; you feel, perhaps, that if they do not all excite me, you have either failed or I am a troll? Strange logic, but then, as I mentioned elsewhere, so has golf, where pèople use the most inappropriate tools to perform a specific task. This is true - I have seen people do it, trust me.

Frank, your way of doing things suits what you want to do; that´s usually quite enough for most people. You´re ahead - enjoy it, but just ask yourself one question: what was the magic in that one special shot, that I see, but that I do not see, in the other pictures?

Rob C

I think you understand me wrong.
I was NOT attacking you, I don't really feel offended when someone does not like my pictures, or others do, that's art.

Photography is an artform and I have always learned (and teach) that in art there is no right or wrong, there is only personal opinion and taste.

I have also learned that when ventilating your personal opinion one should always remember that it IS a PERSONAL opinion, and not a right or wrong.

I can't see where you did me wrong, or were you were rude.

I do see that the remarks about Mark Dutreaux were rude and got me upset.
I have a son myself and cannot imagine what I would do when something would happen to him.
I also have a loving wife and I will NEVER EVER think about hurting her, so the remarks about me being down and dirty to women, or even advertising slavery hit me indeed on the wrong note.
However after some thoughts about it I decided it was not worth the fuss and people should just ignore it.

Again, photography is an ART form and there are no rights or wrongs (well within limits that is, I would never show a women being beaten with a stick in a agressive way, maybe as humor yes, but not in ANY way it could be taken the wrong way).

When I post I always try to be kind and give good critique or help out.
I will never ever put someone down, be rude or be downtalking, that's why sometimes it's hard for me to swallow that still some people find joy in trying to hurt others in that way.

I was once told the story about a very very good photographer who could not get work because he was an Ahole, and all the work went to a much lesser photographer that was good to work with, somehow that always sticks to my mind and with posts like this I always wonder how the person posting it is in real life.

AND AGAIN, I did not attack you, read again and see the Mark Dutreaux remark and you know who I mean , also look at his posts on this forum and you see a trend (not only towards me), it's a shame that he cannot show :
A. his own work (which should be pretty spectaculair)
B. some respect to FELLOW photographers
C. some respect to the community which is called Luminous Landscape

For me the LL forums is one of the kindest I visit and the only one I visit more times a day just because I love the atmosphere and the good answers from the real pros that hang arround here.
Don't let that be spoiled.
And I know I shouldn't have responded but then again, I also have feelings and the MD comment really hit my nerve.

calm down guys, i thought this thread is about pictures and not about widely diverging personal views

How can it be about pictures without being about personal views? What's the use of just showing pictures without the will to discuss the underlying personal motives to make them? I'd say any comment can be useful.

A few months ago I had a pretty strong picture up here. Within 24 hours it got over 300 views but received only one (indirect) comment. One person wrote me PM to say how much he liked it, but he would leave the forum because there was too much crap to his taste here. For me such little response wasn't worth showing a good image, so I took it down. If you don't want comments or discussion, why not simply publish an image in a magazine or brochure? Nobody will call you to tell you what he/she thinks about it. This is a forum, remember?

Enough said, can we please get back to the purpose of this thread, please!!

Let's move on. All points taken.

H1/A75
recent enough to use an H1/A75
on location, no PS

Franky,

Get over yourself, relax. csp is in all likelihood a chick, and not a guy. Probably strung a little too tight (so to speak). You may have on occasion put a lady in a cage. I may have put one in chains. I'm sure the right-wing, moralist photogs can gather and reminisce on Mark Tuckers private forum. In the meantime, enjoy your life, and enjoy your work.

David