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H1/A75 Guy
QUOTE (AndreNapier @ Mar 8 2008, 05:25 PM)
My better half during our leisure time between work in Argentina.
http:andreNapier.comClick to view attachment
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I'm in love with your wife, Andre. Still waiting for Leaf to come out with the new AFi back before I jump in, again. The one with the revolving mounting plate.

David
BJNY
Please do tell what you know.

QUOTE (H1/A75 Guy @ Mar 9 2008, 11:16 AM)
Still waiting for Leaf to come out with the new AFi back before I jump in, again. The one with the revolving mounting plate.
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Frank Doorhof
Hi,
No problem in asking, so I will explain.

I can't remove the logo because I link directly from my own site, and I don't have the time to make special version for every forum.

I have an endorsement with Elinchrom and this is my way of paying tribute to them, they don't pay me for it, and when I don't use the logo they wouldn't mind however seeing my coörperation with them I find it something I have to do for them.

If a mod requests me I will simply stop posting my work, WITHOUT ANY FORM OF HATE OR BAD KARMA OR ANGRY POSTS biggrin.gif
It's just something that is in my shots, if I break a rule I won't post them.
I post for fun, but am very time limited it's impossible for me to post them with and without.

Sorry.

@secondfocus.
I shoot with everything they give me biggrin.gif
Without kidding a student of my brought the Hassy 39MP and I took some shots with it, that's all, I'm a Leaf addict and that will stay that way:D
James R Russell
QUOTE (eronald @ Mar 8 2008, 10:25 PM)
James you got anything recent you want to show ?

Edmund
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Dustbak
Lovely images James! If you ever take assistants please let me know smile.gif
Frank Doorhof
Wonderful James.

Dustbak and I will travel together to help you biggrin.gif
H1/A75 Guy
QUOTE (BJNY @ Mar 9 2008, 11:32 AM)
Please do tell what you know.
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Sorry for the 0ff-Topic. It is known that Leaf is 'working on' a revolving adapter mount for the AFi. There is no way Leaf can physically make a revolving adapter plate for existing AFi backs. Leaf can do one of two things: 1) Have you turn in your existing AFi back so they can remove the current mounting plate and add the new revolving mounting plate (which seems like a doubtful scenario). Or, 2) Offer the next generation AFi back with the revolving adapter plate at a later date. If Leaf gave some indication of of what the plan is for the revolving AFi back, I may be tempted to jump in sooner rather than later.

David
BJNY
Thanks, David.
I'm always on the lookout for tidbits of info on every brand.
eronald
QUOTE (Dustbak @ Mar 9 2008, 07:28 PM)
Lovely images James! If you ever take assistants please let me know  smile.gif
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Thanks for the images James - now tell us, how much do your assistants have to pay you ?

Edmund
bradleygibson
Wonderful work, James.

Thanks for sharing,
Brad
hcubell
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hcubell
Early morning fog near Montepulciano in Tuscany.Click to view attachment
James R Russell
QUOTE (H1/A75 Guy @ Mar 9 2008, 06:26 PM)
Sorry for the 0ff-Topic. It is known that Leaf is 'working on' a revolving adapter mount for the AFi. There is no way Leaf can physically make a revolving adapter plate for existing AFi backs. Leaf can do one of two things: 1) Have you turn in your existing AFi back so they can remove the current mounting plate and add the new revolving mounting plate (which seems like a doubtful scenario). Or, 2) Offer the next generation AFi back with the revolving adapter plate at a later date. If Leaf gave some indication of of what the plan is for the revolving AFi back, I may be tempted to jump in sooner rather than later.

David
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Everytime a new camera is introduced, from medium to 35m format it always seems to have some carryover from film cameras, as if nobody really started from a blank sheet of paper and all new parts.

Maybe the HY6 is closer to a digital only product, since the film back is what essentially motors the film transport, but is there really a need for a film option for this camera, since the two main companies that signed on are both focused on digital capture.

When a new camera like the HY6 or AFI comes out and a rotating back is almost like an afterthough, it puzzles me.

You would think that would have been there from the start, after all it's not a new concept and obviously worked very well considering the number of RZ's sold through the years.

It seems that medium format development is held back by the numbers and going to a new system is a big investment, for the maker and the user, that's why you see these forums lit up with requests for raw files, what back works with what lens, etc. etc.

Nobody wants to make the wrong decision and more importantly wants to buy into a system that they just can't get out of if it doesn't work for their style of photography or workflow.

I know when I added medium fromat from the dslr Canons, once I got past the iniital buy in, the biggest fear was a change of workflow.

Initially my studios post production workload went up by a factor of 10x's. Now it's still higher than it was with the dslrs, though now we also offer more in the way of post production services so maybe it's a wash.

I have a photographer friend that just got his first new digital back. I asked him what mount he put it in and he said the hasselblad V. I thought that was probably the worst of all decisions until you step back and think that not only does he have the camera and lens bought and paid for but he's use to working with the V. Other than a better capture device, his style of shooting will continue as before and his buy in is much less.

On the other hand I know a digital tech that is investing in his rental business and just added digital backs and went with the H system. It wasn't his personal favorite camera of choice, but as of this moment there is enough of these cameras in the market where the H is probably the standard, at least until the used market dries up.

I think in a way both of these decisions makes sense but it makes me wonder that if the initial price wasn't so steep, or if the new wave of proprietary cameras-to-backs wasn't a limitation what camera these two people would really go to.


JR
SecondFocus
There is some wonderful amazing photography in this thread!
203
James, about the backs: do you feel that you are getting images now which you could not have gotten with your 1Ds2 (or3) ? Ar they better in final print form than you were seeing with the Canons/Nikons? How so?
Thanks!
redbutt
I just got my first MFD (PhaseOne P20+ and Mamiya AFD2) back in January. Here's a shot that I think turned out well. This was with the 150mm f/3.5 lens.

To answer the question someone asked (although not to me) about quality...yes the P20+ produces amazing images when compared to my "daily" use 1D Mark2. The print quality is noticeably better, but comparing the two isn't really valid in my situation because each system has it's use where it is ideally suited. I wouldn't even try to shoot theatre production shots with the P20+...the Mark2 is my weapon of choice when I need to move fast. When I have the time to sit and compose (headshots, portraits, etc) then I break out the P20+. That's just my preference.
redbutt
And another P20+ shot...this from a local youth theatre press photo shoot (show was Aida). Again...150mm f/3.5 lens.
HarperPhotos
Gidday,

Shoot for Jim Beam in a Hummer Limo.

Stats:

Mamiya RZProIID
Mamiya 50mm lens
Leaf Aptus 75
200 ISO
Bowens flash
Processed Adobe Bridge CS3

Cheers

Simon
billthecat
Mamiya 645AFDII 35mm ZD back.

I'm enjoying the feeling of MF images a lot, though it can be hard to hold still without a tripod even at 35mm.

One from Sunday a week ago in San Jose, CA:
Click to view attachment

Bill
BobDavid
Here's Zippy.
James R Russell
QUOTE (203 @ Mar 10 2008, 11:18 PM)
James, about the backs: do you feel that you are getting images now which you could not have gotten with your 1Ds2 (or3) ? Ar they better in final print form than you were seeing with the Canons/Nikons? How so?
Thanks!
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This has been beat to death on about 20 million posts and these comparison threads always end in argument and brand loyalties so the answer is not simple or one that turns out to be much fun to discuss.

In the past I've also argued both sides and my opinions can change as my workload and client base changes. Actually the camera I love the most is usually the result of the photograph I love the most. If I like what I'm shooting and everything goes well, then I love brand _________.

If I don't like what I'm shooting then I don't like brand __________ but then again if I don't like what I'm shooting then I pretty much don't like anything.

This probably won't give you the answer your looking for, but I start nearly every project with multiple monitors and medium format back(s), because that is what that level of production requires, regardless of file size, quality, color etc. I may then switch to other cameras for hundreds of reasons, some logical, some not but I usually work in a room with a lot of people where tethering is the rule not the exception.

What brand(s) I currently use is mostly due to stability and speed of post production (software) as every image I shoot goes through rounds of post production on many different levels.

Most clients want huge files sizes, the ability to crop, beautiful skin tones (whatever that may be) 30" previews, etc. etc., but given this what ALL clients want first and foremost is for me to get the shot with as little drama as possible, so as of today I don't live in a one camera fits all world.

Given that this discussion is based around medium format there is very little with medium format that is more difficult than shooting a dslr and depending on brand it's usually easier when tethering, so I believe on a professional level, the primary reason medium format cameras sells less than higher end dslrs is price, not functionality and definitely not image quality.


JR
Snook
QUOTE (James R Russell @ Mar 11 2008, 10:38 AM)
This has been beat to death on about 20 million posts and these comparison threads always end in argument and brand loyalties so the answer is not simple or one that turns out to be much fun to discuss.

In the past I've also argued both sides  and my opinions can change as my workload and client base changes.  Actually the camera I love the most is usually the result of the photograph I love the most.  If I like what I'm shooting and everything goes well, then I love brand _________.

If I don't like what I'm shooting then I don't like brand __________ but then again if I don't like what I'm shooting then I pretty much don't like anything.

This probably won't give you the answer your looking for, but I start nearly every project with multiple monitors and medium format back(s), because that is what that level of production requires, regardless of file size, quality, color etc.  I may then switch to other cameras for hundreds of reasons, some logical, some not but I usually work in a room with a lot of people where tethering is the rule not the exception.

What brand(s)  I currently use is mostly due to stability and speed of post production (software) as every image I shoot goes through rounds of post production on many different levels.

Most clients want huge files sizes, the ability to crop, beautiful skin tones (whatever that may be) 30" previews, etc. etc., but given this what ALL clients want first and foremost is for me to get the shot with as little drama as possible,  so as of today I don't live in a one camera fits all world.

Given that this discussion is based around medium format there is very little with medium format that is more difficult than shooting a dslr and depending on brand it's usually easier when tethering, so I believe on a professional level, the primary reason medium format cameras sells less than higher end dslrs is price, not functionality and definitely not image quality.
JR
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I have to agree with Russell here. Even though Russel tried to convince me to not go MF and stick with the New Nikon D3...
Ofcourse I did not listen to his advice and went with a P30 to go along with my 1DsMII.
I have to say he is right that some jobs require the 1DsMII.
I try and use my P30 when ever I can but some jobs are just pointless using the P30.
I shoot Catalogue with the 1DsMII as the P30 is over kill for catalogue paper where I live and also too SLOW!!
I use the P30 mainly for adverts and Personal fashion stuff.
Another great thing about the Canon is you get Small jpegs + RAW instantly.. NO batching for hours afterwards!!!
very important point for me when I can shoot 500-1000 shots a day easily. And just passs the jpegs for edtiing right away as in my world the client wants everything yesterday..:+]

The P30 has ALOT of room for Crop which I am LOVING!! also the shadow info is Spectacular compared to the 1DsMII...:+}
Each has it's place and I am lucky I have the both...
Snook
I am only missing a high sync camera with flash and do not, for any reason ,want to go with Hassleblad
PS. Russell thanks for the advice it was kind of a joke my comment. I do respect your opinion, but just wanted to get back into Medium fromat some how..:+}
mtomalty
Please keep this thread focussed on its core mandate

"The Retouched Trophy Chicks of Medium Format" :>))


Mark
BlasR
London
203
Thanks Snook, and James, et al., I appreciate all your comments, and they largely line up with mine. (I used to shoot M.F. backs, now waiting for my 1Ds3...)

BUT, my question was really about visible differences in *final output,* in print, not workflow etc...

Thanks again.

-ron
foto-z
Well, sometimes you need a break from landscapes wink.gif



Rollei 6008AF, 150mm Sonnar PQS with 17mm extension, Sinar e75
Boris_Epix
Foto-Z: You overretouched her skin. She looks like a barbie now :-)

But honestly... you didn't oil up her arms... did you? Freak :-D




QUOTE (foto-z @ Mar 11 2008, 10:05 PM)
Well, sometimes you need a break from landscapes wink.gif



Rollei 6008AF, 150mm Sonnar PQS with 17mm extension, Sinar e75
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AndreNapier
You over sharpen this image. Barbie's hair looks almost syntetic.
andre
hcubell
QUOTE (mtomalty @ Mar 11 2008, 03:30 PM)
Please keep this thread focussed on its core mandate

"The Retouched Trophy Chicks of Medium Format"  :>))
Mark
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I did not realize that the "look" of the women in the "The Stepford Wives" had become the rage.
thsinar
Great "beauty" shot and wonderful skintones, Graham!
Did you retouch the eyes? They seem a little "too much"!

biggrin.gif

Best regards,
Thierry

QUOTE (foto-z @ Mar 12 2008, 04:05 AM)
Well, sometimes you need a break from landscapes wink.gif
Rollei 6008AF, 150mm Sonnar PQS with 17mm extension, Sinar e75
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AndreNapier
del
thsinar
Andre,

That's exactly what I meant, with my post!

wink.gif

Thierry

QUOTE (AndreNapier @ Mar 12 2008, 12:07 PM)
Therry,
You are picking up on Graham.
His retouching technique demonstrated here is very munch on par with recent glamour standards on our website.
Andre
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jjj
QUOTE (BJNY @ Mar 9 2008, 01:32 AM)
I prefer not continuing this.
A simple request is now being further twisted and complicated.

James understands, thanks.
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The daft thing about your irrelevent request to remove the Elinchrome logo was that I never even noticed it until you banged on + on about it, as I simply looked at the pictures. But thanks for mentioning it as I now am going out to buy an Elinchrome kit as then I'll be as good as Frank then. tongue.gif
BJNY
daft?
irrelevant?
banged on & on?

Why such aggression?

QUOTE (jjj @ Mar 12 2008, 07:23 AM)
The daft thing about your irrelevent request to remove the Elinchrome logo was that I never even noticed it until you banged on + on about it, as I simply looked at the pictures. But thanks for mentioning it as I now am going out to buy an Elinchrome kit as then I'll be as good as Frank then.  tongue.gif
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James R Russell
QUOTE (jjj @ Mar 12 2008, 08:23 AM)
The daft thing about your irrelevent request to remove the Elinchrome logo was that I never even noticed it until you banged on + on about it, as I simply looked at the pictures. But thanks for mentioning it as I now am going out to buy an Elinchrome kit as then I'll be as good as Frank then.  tongue.gif
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When something like this is posted it just stops all meaningful conversation.

I think you'd be amazed at the number of photographers that would share their experiences but are run off from all forums the moment the topic turns to argument for the sake of argument or critique just because someone has nothing else to offer.

As Frank mentioned his intention was not negative or purposeful, but then it still opens that door for others to take advantage of the free bandwidth.

You don't have to go far into the world of web discussion to see that nearly every forum finally becomes paralyzed and it would be a shame if this one went that direction.


JR
AndreNapier
del
thsinar
I have to fully agree with James.

Thierry

QUOTE (James R Russell @ Mar 12 2008, 09:23 PM)
When something like this is posted it just stops all meaningful conversation.

I think you'd be amazed at the number of photographers that would share their experiences but are run off from all  forums the moment the topic turns to argument for the sake of argument or critique just because someone has nothing else to offer.

As Frank mentioned his intention was not negative or purposeful, but then it still opens that door for others to take advantage of the free bandwidth.

You don't have to go far into the world of web discussion  to see that nearly every forum finally becomes paralyzed and it would be a shame if this one went that direction.
JR
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juicy
Hi,
This has been one of the most inspiring threads for a long time!
Images here, words in other threads, please.

Cheers,
J
EricM
QUOTE (juicy @ Mar 12 2008, 09:34 AM)
Hi,
This has been one of the most inspiring threads for a long time!
Images here, words in other threads, please.

Cheers,
J
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Amen to that!

I don't even own an MF any more, but this thread has been so refreshing (for the most part). I have been enjoying the images, and I want to thank all who have contributed (images, that is).
rgold1963
QUOTE (James R Russell @ Mar 12 2008, 06:23 AM)
When something like this is posted it just stops all meaningful conversation.

I think you'd be amazed at the number of photographers that would share their experiences but are run off from all  forums the moment the topic turns to argument for the sake of argument or critique just because someone has nothing else to offer.

As Frank mentioned his intention was not negative or purposeful, but then it still opens that door for others to take advantage of the free bandwidth.

You don't have to go far into the world of web discussion  to see that nearly every forum finally becomes paralyzed and it would be a shame if this one went that direction.
JR
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
This was one thread I didn't mind being involved with because at first, it was simply about sharing each other's work and nothing more. No patting each other on the back, no arguing, etc.... Just appreciating the different talents and perspectives of the photographer's that belong to this forum.
Perhaps it's time to start a new thread that goes back to the original purpose of this one.

Ron
Frank Doorhof
I agree with james on this one.
It has happened before on one forum, I really don't take such a post as negative or aggressive and will respond with a normal explanation, it's a bit frighting to see that it gets out of control by other posts.

PLEASE keep this forum free of bashing each other.
I find myself posting less and less of my work on several forums because I don't like the atmosphere anymore (too many wannabees that think they are a pro because they sold a picture to the local newspaper).

For me this forum is great because there is mutal respect and I think one of the reasons we see some REAL pros here, PLEASE keep it that way.

I heard about closed forums were the pros post now because they don't want to be on the public forums, it's a bad trend (and yes I would love to have an invite for such a forum LOL).

I think that in photography there should be respect for each other and to be quiete honest there is no real competetion necessary.
I teach alot of workshops and even with my models, my lightsetup, same equiptment EVERY single students makes a different picture, so I don't see the need for it.

Again, I'm not offended by the question, it's a solid question with I think a solid answer from my side, let's keep it there and keep this forum CLEAN of BS like you can see on many other sites.
Don't scare the pros away biggrin.gif
BlasR
Rhode island
etrump
Just post some of your recent work and quit complaining. PLEASE! The work posted here is fantastic, thanks to all for taking the time - including Frank.

If you don't like the logo click next topic.

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Frank Doorhof
I have something else biggrin.gif
let's make it a bit more interactieve....

www.youtube.com/frankdoorhof see the MID video for the latest fashion shoot and maybe it's also fun to watch the pro-imaging video.
eronald
James, Frank

Please don't turn into debaters, there are enough lawyers in the world already. smile.gif

Please do post some more of your superb images, smile.gif

Edmund

QUOTE (James R Russell @ Mar 12 2008, 02:23 PM)
When something like this is posted it just stops all meaningful conversation.

I think you'd be amazed at the number of photographers that would share their experiences but are run off from all  forums the moment the topic turns to argument for the sake of argument or critique just because someone has nothing else to offer.

As Frank mentioned his intention was not negative or purposeful, but then it still opens that door for others to take advantage of the free bandwidth.

You don't have to go far into the world of web discussion  to see that nearly every forum finally becomes paralyzed and it would be a shame if this one went that direction.
JR
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TMARK
Deleted.
redbutt
I don't want to derail this too much from the images, but I have a quick question. Of the two images I posted, one was hand held, the other tripod. Could people just quickly post if you are using a tripod or not? My working style tends to favor hand held shooting, but my tripod is absolutely required for some things...just trying to get a feel for how people are shooting some of these great images here.
collum
Mamiya 645AFDII, Zeiss 110/2.0
Aptus 75s


Garapatta Beach, Ca.


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HAK
Dragons in Vietnam / Hue Citadelle
Contax 654 + P25 + CZ Vario-Sonnar 4,5/45-90mm

1285.jpg cropped 1/45 - 5,6 - ISO 100
1247.jpg uncropped 1/20 - 4,5 - ISO 100
both handheld/monopied support

Enjoy!

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jjj
QUOTE (James R Russell @ Mar 12 2008, 02:23 PM)
When something like this is posted it just stops all meaningful conversation.

I think you'd be amazed at the number of photographers that would share their experiences but are run off from all  forums the moment the topic turns to argument for the sake of argument or critique just because someone has nothing else to offer.

As Frank mentioned his intention was not negative or purposeful, but then it still opens that door for others to take advantage of the free bandwidth.

You don't have to go far into the world of web discussion  to see that nearly every forum finally becomes paralyzed and it would be a shame if this one went that direction.
JR
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QUOTE (BJNY @ Mar 12 2008, 12:38 PM)
daft?
irrelevant?
banged on & on?

Why such aggression?
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Duh! No aggression, it was prompted by a daft comment by yourself about 'advertising', so I posted a silly response to it.
Whooosh! Right over Jame's and your head. Didn't you even notice the smiley, placed for the benefit of those who don't get irony.
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