Any idea when we'll start hearing about the Camera Raw tutorial?

It is about 1/3 complete. I have just completed the video editing of the Antarctica piece for LLVJ-17 and will be picking up on CR tutorial later this week

Cool. Upload that sumbitch.

Indeed.

I will not be uploading anything on CR until it is complete. Too often, I need to go back in the organisational structure to make revisions once editing is complete - so patience...
it will likely be at least mid-March before you see anything.
Chris

I was referring to the Antarctica piece for LLVJ-17. Lay on with the upload.

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While the editing is finished, we now await the composition of music

Then the final sound mix and final polishes and it will be done - likely a couple more weeks

like in the "Money Pit" two weeks

joking with you

bob

Hello chris,

I'm curious!

As of March 31, I am about half way through the Camera Raw Tutorial. I expect it will take another two weeks...

Calibration of estimates would indicate a release date of about May 5th.

I for one am willing to wait until you get it right.

Thanks for all your excellent work, Chris.

Eric

Oh, me too. I've also used the "two weeks" estimate more than once.

The Camera Raw tutorial is very big, and has required a lot of work.

The editing has been completed and Chris is now doing the titles, and compression. For the past week I've been seeing two and sometimes three new modules a day.

Hang in there, it's coming sooner rather than later, and I believe will be well worth the wait.

Michael

The Camera Raw Tutorial is up at this page on the shopping cart

Thanks Chris...

Download is smooth at 350kB/s

I'm happy to report, I'm getting close to 1mb a second, at least on the first file.

Great, it must be because I'm downloading software from another server. Let's hope that the good DL speed stays as good as it it when more customers will come.

Aside from download, I have a complaint (I will not ask for my money back but its something Michael needs to be aware of): He needs a snazzier shirt! <G>

I agree

Gentleman of taste and breeding do not wear Hawaiian shirts (except, of course, when in Hawaii).

Michael

Uh huh...and gentlemen of taste and breeding are, uh...boring :~)

VIVA LA DIFFERENCE!

Will I be able to make one DVD copy for myself (so I can get it off my desktop) without the watermark?

You're free to make backup copies for your own use.

Because we do not use copy protection the watermark which occasionally appears, stays. That way if copies get handed around at least there's a form of viral marketing included.

Michael

Good enough. As long as it's not too intrusive, I don't mind a little marketing.

I've purchased the excellent Camera to Print and Lightroom tutorials and learned a great deal from both of them. I use Lightroom for all of my raw file conversions.

I did purchase CS3 a couple months ago as Jeff informed me that my CS version was a bit long in the tooth. I also bit the bullet and got the Photokit Sharpener (still using the Epson 2200). Honestly, CS3 has mostly taken up hard drive space other than the occasional round trip needed for printing/softproofing.

I may be missing out on features and workflow improvements by not using bridge but am not sure. With these products having overlapping features I'm concerned that I've already got the basics down and will not get much benefit from this new tutorial.

Is there enough new meat in this tutorial for someone who has the Camera to Print and Lightroom to not be disappointed?

I'm downloading mine now but I too have purchased and watched LR tutorial and Camera to Print. Personally, I think just watching Jeff and Michael is worth the entertainment value so I won't worry about any overlap. Kidding aside, I feel entertained whenever I watch one of these videos and the best part is I don't have to strain my old eyes to read printed text.

I also have the tutorial for Camera to Print and Lightroom and wondering if it would be worth purchasing this newest Raw video?

Also what Adobe Raw version it this video based on? The latest version from Adobe is 4.4.1.

Thanks,

Stu

Since 4.4.1 was just released last week and the taping was a few months ago, I'm guessing that it covers 4.3, since that's been out since November/December '07.

I think that's the influence of that big American guy from Chicago.

Adobe Creative Suite 3 with Photoshop CS3 10.0.1, Camera Raw 4.3.1 and Bridge 2.1

There is a lot of additional material - mostly to do with the integration of ACR, Bridge and Photoshop. The overlaps are really only in the actual processing/colour adjustment. FWIW I learned a lot

I've only watched the first 5 pieces, and I know this stuff pretty well. But I think the part where Jeff shows a true non demosaiced image, talks about Raw linear capture is real worthwhile.

Another 8-hours of training? (I'll need two cases of beer for this one...)

I've finished watching the camera to print tutorial for the second time (lots of information to grasp in the first go. -Excellent stuff).

-Pete

That sounds like my education. You didn't go to St. Cloud State, did you?

Excellent job, you two really hit your stride on this one. The asides are still enjoyable, but the presentation of the material is better paced, less rambling and almost scripted. It makes it easier to follow in the end. Don't get me wrong, the back and forth between you two is entertaining, but there is more focus on getting through the material. I am enjoying the interview inserts at appropriate points, they add a lot. I love hearing the background information.

While a lot of the material is quite familar, having bought both LightRoom and C to P tutorials, the added depth on this one is valuable.

Just finished the Basics panel tutorial, and the finer points on making exposure adjustments really brought it all home to me.

I am curious, what would this add to my knowledge as I bought Camera to Print and Lightroom before?

I checked out the list off topics and as this very good price as usual as quality is great on the last two video education ones. But low on funds I trying to think if it would add anything?

Are there more in depth on how the controls work?

That was what was most valuable for me in the Lightroom tutorial. I like just the proccess off showing stuff how it work..

I guess I want it but I ask myself if I really need it... Please help me out here

Also does jeff have any new ugly shirt, I dont know why but it made me smile. Sorry if Jeff reads this and maybe gets offended. No hard feelings. Taste is a like a butt, splitted as we say in sweden.

What I found interesting and disconcerting was Jeff's continuing to regard a raw file as gray scale and an RGB TIFF as color despite our previous discussion on the Adobe Camera Raw forum. Strictly speaking no file contains color, since color is a perception that occurs in the brain. What files contain is information necessary to create a tristimulus response that is perceived as color when the information is projected on the retina and decoded in the central nervous system.

An RGB TIFF image could be viewed as three gray scale files, but it is more since each layer contains information about the color of each pixel; when the file is viewed with a color aware application, the viewer perceives color. Similarly, a raw file contains color information about each pixel that is overlain with a color filter. In the raw file, all the information is on one layer in the form of a mosaic, whereas it is present in three layers in the TIFF. Each pixel records only luminance, but since the color represented by the luminance is known, color can be generated.

Jeff believes that color is generated when the file is demosaiced and the missing colors in the mosaic are filled in by interpolation and he proceeds to prove his point by viewing the raw file in a non color aware application (dng_validate). However, if you view the file in a color aware application, the colors are there as shown in this screen shot from Rawanalyze. In the shown view, Rawanalyze takes each pixel of the raw file and displays it on screen in its proper color but there is no demosaicing, white balance, interpolation, or gamma curve. The image is greenish because there are twice as many green pixels as blue or red pixels and no white balance has been applied.

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If you zoom in, you can see the mosaic pattern and the color of each pixel. There there is relatively little blue in the image and most blue pixels appear as black, but some blue is present towards the center of the image.

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In conclusion, a raw file is no more gray scale than an RGB TIFF.

Bill

I figured that would surface from you (assuming that you actually purchased the video, that's good). You guys don't agree. And there's nothing in the video with respect to what Jeff is describing that dilutes what he shows for this level of audience. Do we really need to go down this rabbit hole of semantics AGAIN?

I miss that fresh, clean, modern, fine looking, tastfull setting from the Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Tutorial in Camera to Adobe Raw.

Watch it, or Jeff will jump down your rabbit hole.

Michael

Jeff's behavior has changed dramatically over the years (maybe not when he's with you Michael). Now he simply challenges those who don't agree with him to arm wrestling.

Ah - nothing better than watching these through the Apple TV on the couch Great job guys, this is very interesting as usual!

Hi!

I bought it just for the fun to see Jeff and Michael. I have Lightroom, so I actually don't use Camera Raw (except for calibration). Lightroom and Camera Raw have a lot in common, so the tutorial is very informative anyway.

The discussion with the Lightroom folks at Adobe was also quite fun and interesting.

Best regards
Erik

Well, Mr. Reichman, next tutorial we meet the Digital Dog with the ColorMunki?

:-) Erik

I'm in the same camp, I use Lightroom now instead of ACR but I think there's more than enough good info here since they share the same processing pipeline. Just about everything discussed can be found in Develop so Lightroom users should not dismiss the video just because its about ACR.

Of course, I purchased the video (sales order number #31598) and do not appreciate any implication to the contrary. Jeff is a recognized expert in Camera Raw and I have learned much from his revision of the ACR book and think the tutorial is excellent thus far and would recommend it to others.

Even though he knows quite a bit more about digital photography than I do, I can occasionally point out an error in logic or fact in areas that I have studied.

Bill

Chill Bill. I wasn't implying anything other than its good you purchased the video, as did I. Its possible you got a clip or someone provided you the context you mention.