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xinchenc
With firmware 2.09, the aperture setting from f/4 to f/32 works correctly. BUT, my AFi7 cannot reach 1/1000 second shutter speed (only 1/500), though apo-symmar 90mm f/4 is PQS lens?

Another problem is in that there is no lens & shooting information in the picture file with any lens, even with those new AFD ones.

Has any user met teh same problem?

Thanks.
Carl Glover
My Sinar hy6 has the same problem too. Hopefully it will be rectified in the next firmware update.
xinchenc
QUOTE (Carl Glover @ May 14 2008, 12:41 AM)
My Sinar hy6 has the same problem too. Hopefully it will be rectified in the next firmware update.
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then, what a problem!

another observation is that if I use only one battery to drive the whole system, including the digital back, it will only last about 1 hour!
thsinar
Question to you Carl, and to Xinchenc:

are those "older" or long ago bought lenses?

Carl: do you have the problem with the same lens as Xinchenc, the 90 apo-symmar macro?

Thanks,
Thierry

QUOTE (Carl Glover @ May 13 2008, 10:41 PM)
My Sinar hy6 has the same problem too. Hopefully it will be rectified in the next firmware update.
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xinchenc
QUOTE (thsinar @ May 14 2008, 12:51 AM)
Question to you Carl, and to Xinchenc:

are those "older" or long ago bought lenses?

Carl: do you have the problem with the same lens as Xinchenc, the 90 apo-symmar macro?

Thanks,
Thierry
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I just bought it in Shanghai the day before yesterday, with serial # 14653xxx. Is that an OLD lens?
thsinar
that's Leaf AFi specific.

The Sinar Hy6 uses 2 batteries, independently (one in and for the eMotion back exclusively and one in the handgrip of the camera for the body only), and lasts for at least 3 hours of continuous shooting, when fully charged. I have used my set today the whole day, since this morning, demonstrating it and being used by many photographers: the eMotion battery is still indicating 2/3 of full capacity and the camera battery indicates full.

Thierry

QUOTE (xinchenc @ May 13 2008, 10:49 PM)
then, what a problem!

another observation is that if I use only one battery to drive the whole system, including the digital back, it will only last about 1 hour!
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Carl Glover
QUOTE (thsinar @ May 13 2008, 03:51 PM)
Carl: do you have the problem with the same lens as Xinchenc, the 90 apo-symmar macro?

Thanks,
Thierry
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Yes.

My other PQS lenses are fine by the way...
thsinar
I have been told that this problem does happen with some "older"/"earlier" lenses, and that it is lens-related, not the camera, that's why I was asking.

I was told that the lens has to be sent to factory to get a fix.

Best regards,
Thierry

QUOTE (Carl Glover @ May 13 2008, 11:50 PM)
Yes.

My other PQS lenses are fine by the way...
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yaya
QUOTE (xinchenc @ May 13 2008, 03:09 PM)
With firmware 2.09, the aperture setting from f/4 to f/32 works correctly. BUT, my AFi7 cannot reach 1/1000 second shutter speed (only 1/500), though apo-symmar 90mm f/4 is PQS lens?

Another problem is in that there is no lens & shooting information in the picture file with any lens, even with those new AFD ones.

Has any user met teh same problem?

another observation is that if I use only one battery to drive the whole system, including the digital back, it will only last about 1 hour!

Thanks.
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We will get someone to contact you with requests for some more info.

Regarding the battery life we're looking to improve the power management of the imaging module+body, however you can use a 2nd battery (of up to 6,000mAh) attached to the bottom of the imaging module which is going to give you a much longer working time.

Yair
xinchenc
QUOTE (yaya @ May 14 2008, 05:16 AM)
We will get someone to contact you with requests for some more info.

Regarding the battery life we're looking to improve the power management of the imaging module+body, however you can use a 2nd battery (of up to 6,000mAh) attached to the bottom of the imaging module which is going to give you a much longer working time.

Yair
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Thanks.
xinchenc
QUOTE (yaya @ May 14 2008, 05:16 AM)
We will get someone to contact you with requests for some more info.

Regarding the battery life we're looking to improve the power management of the imaging module+body, however you can use a 2nd battery (of up to 6,000mAh) attached to the bottom of the imaging module which is going to give you a much longer working time.

Yair
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Can Leaf settle my 90mm PQS lens problem FREE?

Thanks,
yaya
QUOTE (xinchenc @ May 14 2008, 01:09 PM)
Can Leaf settle my 90mm PQS lens problem FREE?

Thanks,
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If the lens was bought from Leaf and it is not a bug that can be fixed via firmware then I believe it will be repaired/ replaced under warranty.

If you haven't heard from Leaf AP or from your dealer by now then I suggest you contact your dealer.

Yair
xinchenc
QUOTE (thsinar @ May 14 2008, 02:22 AM)
I have been told that this problem does happen with some "older"/"earlier" lenses, and that it is lens-related, not the camera, that's why I was asking.

I was told that the lens has to be sent to factory to get a fix.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Rollei local Shanghai dealer declined such bug. I have contacted with Service@SchneiderKreuznach.com to see what is happening.

Thanks,
bradleygibson
QUOTE (xinchenc @ May 13 2008, 08:54 AM)
I just bought it in Shanghai the day before yesterday, with serial # 14653xxx. Is that an OLD lens?
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According to Schneider, that serial puts your manufacture date in 1997 or 1998. Not sure how old a lens has to be for this problem, though.

-Brad
BJNY
Bradley,
How does one figure out the date of manufacture via the serial number?
Billy
xinchenc
QUOTE (bradleygibson @ May 15 2008, 02:42 PM)
According to Schneider, that serial puts your manufacture date in 1997 or 1998.  Not sure how old a lens has to be for this problem, though.

-Brad
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How slow Rollei sells such lens.
thsinar
Dear Xinchenc,

I doubt it is F&H who sells slowly, but at a certain period the stocks have probably been filled to the top. That's what I have ben told.

Best regards,
Thierry

QUOTE (xinchenc @ May 15 2008, 06:36 PM)
How slow Rollei sells such lens.
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xinchenc
QUOTE (thsinar @ May 14 2008, 02:22 AM)
I have been told that this problem does happen with some "older"/"earlier" lenses, and that it is lens-related, not the camera, that's why I was asking.

I was told that the lens has to be sent to factory to get a fix.

Best regards,
Thierry
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It is said that ALL manual PQS lenses have such 1/500 second problem.
Thanks.
thsinar
No, not true Xinchenc: I have myself a few such "old" PQS lenses and they are working fine on the Sinar Hy6.

Thierry

QUOTE (xinchenc @ May 17 2008, 09:09 AM)
It is said that ALL manual PQS lenses have such 1/500 second problem.
Thanks.
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xinchenc
QUOTE (thsinar @ May 17 2008, 11:14 AM)
No, not true Xinchenc: I have myself a few such "old" PQS lenses and they are working fine on the Sinar Hy6.

Thierry
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I am contacting F&H to see how they solve such problem in China.

Thanks.
xinchenc
QUOTE (Carl Glover @ May 14 2008, 12:41 AM)
My Sinar hy6 has the same problem too. Hopefully it will be rectified in the next firmware update.
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Just received an email from Franke & Heidecke GmbH, they said that the lens should be sent back to the following address to be fixed.

Franke & Heidecke GmbH
Service
Salzdahlumerstr. 196
38126 Braunschweig

Do not know if they will charge any fixing fee. unsure.gif
yaya
Here is why it is worth getting the lens fixed:





Photographer: Alex Granat
Lighting: Martim Neves
Model: Xenia Fortes

Leaf AFi 6
Schneider 50mm AF-D
50 iso
1/1000 sec @ f20
Profoto D4

Yair
rethmeier
Looks soft to me?
yaya
QUOTE (rethmeier @ May 25 2008, 09:11 AM)
Looks soft to me?
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Changed the full frame grab so you'll see the size of the crop. From that distance you won't get any sharper than that, not at 1/1000 anyway...


Yair
xinchenc
QUOTE (yaya @ May 25 2008, 05:11 PM)
Here is why it is worth getting the lens fixed:

Photographer: Alex Granat
Lighting: Martim Neves
Model: Xenia Fortes

Leaf AFi 6
Schneider 50mm AF-D
50 iso
1/1000 sec @ f20
Profoto D4

Yair


The fixing is FREE! But my Rollei seller in Shanghai declined such bug. They sell GRAY Market lens which comes from Japan.

I have Profoto D4 which is not a high speed powerpack. I cannot believe Alex Granat could freeze motion with D4 blink.gif

My order for 50mm AFD has past 2 monthes! Your local dealer still have not delivered it to me yer mad.gif
jing q
QUOTE (yaya @ May 25 2008, 03:11 AM)
Here is why it is worth getting the lens fixed:





Photographer: Alex Granat
Lighting: Martim Neves
Model: Xenia Fortes

Leaf AFi 6
Schneider 50mm AF-D
50 iso
1/1000 sec @ f20
Profoto D4

Yair
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you should be looking at the feet, that's the part that'll probably blur (flash duration is more important here really)
favalim
QUOTE (thsinar @ May 13 2008, 03:57 PM)
that's Leaf AFi specific.
... and the camera battery indicates full.

Thierry
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Thierry the problem of the Hy6 battery level is that it shows "full" till it's finished smile.gif
That's my case at least.
favalim
QUOTE (thsinar @ May 13 2008, 03:57 PM)
that's Leaf AFi specific.
... and the camera battery indicates full.

Thierry
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Thierry the problem of the Hy6 battery level is that it shows "full" till it's finished smile.gif
That's my case at least.
EricWHiss
QUOTE (yaya @ May 25 2008, 01:11 AM)
Here is why it is worth getting the lens fixed:

Photographer: Alex Granat
Lighting: Martim Neves
Model: Xenia Fortes

Leaf AFi 6
Schneider 50mm AF-D
50 iso
1/1000 sec @ f20
Profoto D4

Yair
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Wow - why f/20? With the 50mm this could have been shot at f/11 or maybe even f/8 and the flash power could have several stops less which would have made the flash even faster than the shutter.
dustblue
absolutely!

QUOTE (jing q @ May 25 2008, 11:50 PM)
you should be looking at the feet, that's the part that'll probably blur (flash duration is more important here really)
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foto-z
To make the point properly, you need a shot with both ambient and flash light (fairly balanced)
thsinar
That should not be, favalim.

Mine is indicating it correctly.

Do you have the latest firmware? I would let this be checked.

Best regards,
Thierry

QUOTE (favalim @ May 26 2008, 12:15 AM)
Thierry the problem of the Hy6 battery level is that it shows "full" till it's finished smile.gif
That's my case at least.
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