I just got am email message from a local dealer here in Frankfurt.

H3DII/50 EUR 30,000,-

T/S-adapter for 28/35/50/80mm EUR 3.600,-

large-format adapter for H3D: EUR 1.600,-

plus tax.

A tilt/shift adapter for existing lenses is not possible whatsoever. There would be no infinity focusing. That's why Mamiya had short barrel lenses for use with the RZ tilt/shift adapter.

Seems bogus.

The dealer is not known for telling bogus. I think it´s true, because it´s my local dealer here. And it was an email, not a personal chat. Every photographer in Frankfurt must have gotten it today.

I don´t care. My 39MP are enough. If I had a 22MP it would be enough as well.

Bernd

Unless the tilt/shift adapter is a la FlexBody or ArcBody.
Just a guess on my part. I am waiting to hear like everyone else.

Any more sources/info on this product?

Joe Bossuyt

There will be a Hasselblad announcement early next week.

Looking forward to it.

Michael

Interested too.

Let the games begin!

Kumar

We all look forward to seeing what they will have, just to keep MF systems moving along. But an adapter and a new body are two different things. Plus I seriously doubt any of the mentioned lenses possibly have the image circle for T/S.

Most likely just one or more new lenses with built in T/S. They have mentioned such was in the works for a year or more.

I trust my dealer. I think every bit of that is true. But I don´t have any additional information. The only thing I left out was a "cable kit for E-shuttle Schneider and Rodenstock", whatever that is, for EUR 450,- plus tax.

Bernd

Do you mean this in a positive way Michael, or did you forget the <sarcasm> </sarcasm> tags? :-)

Just kidding. Its always interesting to hear about new (hopefully innovative) products.
I just hope they have the common sense not to exclude existing H3D camera's this time around.

My dealer now mentions this in the news section of his hp.

http://www.gmfoto.de/index.php?neues

(in German only)

Could that be something related to the Schneider and Rodenstock electronic shutters that allow remote wired control of aperture and exposure time, among other things? Do H lenses have aperture and shutter speed settings on the lenses? If not, they would need to be controlled elctronically when on a T/S body or view camera.

Kumar

Makes sense.

Bernd

If it's true then it's just a case of ...and so the pixel peeping race goes on........ Yawn!

I believe that Canon are probably at, or near, the top of their game squeezing 21Mp onto a 35mm sized sensor. Hasselblad have some headroom to play with and good luck to them. But, as Bernd implies, who needs it?

T/S, on the other hand, would be very interesting.

D.

No sarcasm intended at all.

I'm a Hasselblad system owner and am always interested in any products that they bring to market. I just hope that these are things that I can use with my existing H1 and H2.

Even if they weren't I would still be interested and would report on them fairly. Remember, my beef isn't with the company or its products, just with some of its management's marketing policies.

Michael

I'm waiting for a terapixel sensor cause someone somewhere said that velvia has an infinite resolution.

Cheers,
J

The only way a T/S adapter would work was with an additional lens, like the PC-Mutar 1,4 to increase the image circle. But that decreases image quality. You can read in all MF forums even without an adapter the MF-SLR-retro-focus-wideangles are not as good as the "digital" schneider and rodenstock wideangles.

So this new toy makes not much sense. For 3.600,- EUR plus tax you can buy half of a cambo/schneider lens combination.

Bernd

The "cable kit for e-shutter Rodenstock+Schneider: 450,- EUR" makes sense as Hasselblad had utilized a very slick cable system for Schneider lenses on the iXpress backs which eliminated the need for the Controller unit (similar to Eyelike). There is an adapter cable that has been available for some time that allows the CF digital backs to use the same cable setup.

I do know that a cable solution for the H3D series has been under development for some time but I am not aware whether it was an adapter cable or a whole new cabling solution. Based on the price I'm seeing, it appears to me it is a whole new cabling solution for the H3D series to interact with the Schneider Electronic Shutter without the Controller unit and also adds Rollei compatibilitty.

Just an educated guess.

There is indeed a US dealers conference call scheduled for next week, but at the rate we're going here, that just might be a summary for us....

C'mon people, dig!

Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com/digital.php

At least their aggressive marketing and insane pixel obsession will get those over-inflated prices down! - (along with Canon and Nikon chomping at the heels of 31Mp!!) .......$9000 rebate on a H3DII 22Mp!!??

The pixel wars and the ever deepening credit crunch are conspiring to make the next year or so the best time ever for buy into a reasonable pixel count MFDB system, if you have the work or spare cash.

They do have the image circles needed, the adaptor will work with the 28, 35, 50 and 80mm lenses, +/-18mm shift, +/- 10 degrees tilt, +/- 90 degrees rotation.

Nick-T

I really hope they've done this by going to full 645 (which would bring it almost exactly to 50 million pixels) rather than by squeezing more into the 36.7mm x 49mm sensor.

$9000 rebate on the H3DII/31MP kit....seems like a good deal if you have a spare $18k.

Steve

Is this an adapter a la Hassy PC Mutar or Mamiyas Tilt/Shift, or a new arc/flex body?

Thats good news,Nick.Thx.

Do you have confirmation that the lenses can retain 'infinity' focus?


Mark

Yes, we need larger sensors more than smaller photosites.

I wonder who else has developed a back with this new sensor? I doubt very much that Hasselblad is the only one.

Yes, that perfect match is intriguing. Of course, it could also be that a rumor-monger computed that 50MP on exactly that assumption. Or that Kodak has gone to a nice round 6 microns in its current format (and maybe with its new CMOS technology, for which Kodak has claimed very large format capability through stitching.)

It's a Kodak sensor so I would expect Phase to announce a back soon..

Hi Mark
I've asked the question of Gothenburg and will report back, I am certainly under the impression that the adaptor (it's not a body) will allow infinity focus.

Nick-T

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I distinctly remember that the 28mm lens has an image circle just large enough to cover a 48x36mm sensor so movements won't be possible.

I don't see how this would be possible with the H3D anyway. The camera is designed for a frame of 48x36mm, hence the 'full frame' nomenclature.

The information above is direct from the product manager but I'm sure you're right and he's wrong

Actually, yes.

Which product manager? Apparently I know more about his products than he does, and I'm not even a Hass H user.

The information about the 28mm lens is in an interview with Hasselblad's CEO, Christian Poulsen.

But perhaps more convincingly, have a look at the 28mm lens product info sheet: "The HCD 4/28 mm lens is designed solely for digital use. This means that the lens is designed
for a format of 37x49 mm and does not cover the film format (41.5x56mm)."

Even more evidence: look at the MTF charts. Performance drops off fast on the corner of the digital sensor (at 30mm).

well according to the german website link , hasselblad announced a 50mpix H3D and a T/S adapter for the 28/35/50/80mm lenses....
i wonder who makes the sensor and if kodak makes it why doesn't phase have it?
and how the hell do they fit a T/S adapter between the lens and camera and still keep infinity focus? and there is still the question of coverage, as noted here before some of these lenses just cover their format.....
but again this is coming from the company that had the first fullframe digital MF system...so maybe they just squeeze an extra 11mpix out of the 39mpix chip and the T/S only applies to the center of the image and distances up to 2ft....
either way....the sensor that would get me excited would not fit into the H3 and the lenses would not cover it...so i can't wait for the full US press release and the usual email bombardment...

Nick-T, TechTalk please chime in.

I'm just wonderin' out loud:

-why it's called an H3DII-50, and not H4D-50 instead.
-if the 50MP sensor is a 37x49 version of the micro-lensed 31MP

Billy

If the adapter is for the existing Hasselblad H lenses, then NO way in hell there is any room for movements. If the adapter is for some other brand of lenses, perhaps intended for larger format uses, i.e. Schneiders, then it is quite possible to have movements. Our OP cuts and pastes some fairly obscure info with no mention of what 28,35,50,80 lenses the adapter is for.

John,
I had the same thought, but Linos/Rodenstock makes a 45mm + 55mm, and Schneider makes a 47mm instead of a 50mm.

and you never can squeeze a symmetric or nearly symmetric lens as the 24/28/35 schneider or roenstocks on a mirror based camera.

possible the T/S adapter would work w/ some type of software solution??

Sorry posting between shots.
The adaptor is for H lenses.

Nick-T

I guess they use voodoo now, because it defies anything possible. Does it not make sense that existing H lenses can't do infinity focus with any sort of adapter/spacer. I guess the only plausible thing already mentioned is an adapter with some sort of optics that re-adjust the focusing and then Phocus software corrections are performed.

I agree, But I fear H1 & 2 users are going to be left out in the rain.
Sure do hope i'm wrong.....

I can hardly believe , that there will be an adapter for the 28,35,50 and 80mm lenses .
The image circle of these lenses will be too small to allow a shift of 10 or even 15mm .
Also I doubt that the DAC tool in PHOCUS could correct that much vignetting .

I have heard a rumor as well , but that was not about an adapter , but a WA camera with the ability of shift and tilt and special WA lenses .

I am very curious , what the future will bring .

Jürgen

It will focus at infinity. Also I'm told it will work on h1/h2 which is very good news. Nick-T

Voodoo could be some kind of glass in the extension

one would assume one could build a TS adapter with a lens in it that would still acheive infinity with a loss of angle of view

a bendy 1.4 converter

I am not going to put money on that though

S

Like Hasselblad has already built for the V system, "PC-Mutar Shift Converter".

indeed

I think you nailed it Sam: