I know about Profoto's Pro8 and Broncolor's Scoro power packs,
but was there any other new lighting equipment from Kino Flo (Kelvin Tile),
Dedolight, Briese, etc.?

Thanks in advance.

A new version of the Elinchrom Ranger, the Quanta. About 3Kg's in total. Asysmmetrical 2 outlets. 400ws in total with very short flash duration. very cute.

I don't know if they are showing them, but profoto has a new line of parbolic umbrellas which cost almost as much as medium format cameras.

They look good though and paras are the new beauty dish, which was the new ring flash, which was the new frensel, which was. . . .

JR

Hensel came out with the first lithium ion battery powered packs.

Terrific, John.
Would you post a link?

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....77&#entry221277

http://henselusa.blogspot.com/2008/09/phot...ty-lithium.html

http://www.hensel.eu/HENSEL%20IMAGE%20MOVIE/79-en.html Flash presentation

info and prices here as well as Hensel's own sites
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_p...cid=7-9316-9649

Considering all these braking news I decided to peacefully invest in few Profoto parbolic umbrellas...
and give Cameras/Lenses/DBs a rest for a while

Received the 6' parbolic umbrella three weeks ago which is excellent... waiting for 10' mid October... can't complain, except the price is high... Profoto Para umbrellas to my surprise actually cost more than Boncolor!

How do you like the 6'? Compared to Bron and Briese?

Thanks,

T

Kudos / Props to Hensel for beating the big boys to the punch with Lithium-Ion.
Hopefully, Broncolor & Profoto will follow suit sooner than later.
And yes, being able to work off AC/mains when available would be great.

What's the benefit of using these umbrellas instead of the beauty dish, ring flash etc?
Anyone?

Without going in to many details you'll find Profoto and Bronocolor paras are pretty much the same including the price too... so I can't say
I like one or the other better, I own both....

Can't talk about Briese, from what I've seen... they look good!!! There is so much specialized lighting pieces that I like and am looking to buy... but as far as industry standard, all will do the trick...
I just happen to have faith in Broncolor and Profoto!

I loved Broncolor personally for different reasons studio etc. and with Profoto mobility etc.

However, now with Profoto you can have the best of both, Studio & Location... again you can have equivalent with Broncolor too, but it gets heavier with those versos etc. although I like the docks... and the way they're build! I wish profoto would do something similar in their fashion!

One minor thing, probably not as improtant to others is colors... Broncolor looks very attractive to begin with but after a while
just looks aged or like a fashion from the 80' similar to colors of Hy6... this is why I wish SINAR, ROLLEI and LEAF would change it to black a.s.a.p

I personally prefer Black.... if I could, I would even paint my ARRI lights in black too

PS: I am looking in to using Pro ring flash with Profoto Parabolic umbrellas, so we'll see how that goes...

You get a large but direct lightsource. Kind of like the world's largest frensel that focuses.

For most instances it makes no difference between the large paras and other large umbrellas of soft light fixtures, except when you need that focused look with deeper shadows.

Given the shape (amount of degree) they also allow you to keep the light directed where you want them i.e off the background and focus more on the subject.

Brieze made paras all the rage for beauty and fashion and because they were so exepensive probably set the price standard, (think medium format).

There are some other makes from china that are knockoffs, though I know nothing about the quality of them.

Anyway, these are the prices from a profoto dealer in LA, which are just standard list for the profotos. It wasn't clear of the size of the fixture.

180 degree $5949.00
240 degree $8765.00
300 degree $11449.00

JR

Who is the distributor for Briese in US (New York,L.A)?

(Couldn't find anything on their website)

Are they available for rent and where?

Gidday,

I think this is the link to the Asian knockoffs.

http://www.falconeyes.com.hk/diyhp/12224/e...LE_SOFTBOX.html

Cheers

Simon

Pier 59 Studios in NYC.

The small Briese, like 77cm, is awesome. They have a full range of HMI. If we have a big budget for lighting I light music videos with big and small Briese. Bron gives a similar yet different look. There is something almost powdery with the quality of the Briese lights. Something to do with teh coatings.

You can fake these looks with silks, fresnels, and grid on the silk(s). It aint easy and takes lots of lights and lots of immobile rigging. My back hurts just thinking about it.

Unless these things are an integral part of your look, its best to rent when needed.

I am experimenting with making a focusing adapter to focus light with the Elinchrom Deep Throat Octa (great concept, badly executed). I figure if if I could move the head around inside the octa I could get light similar to the small Briese.

T

Briese Lighting USA
401 West Street
New York, NY 10014
(212) 414-9596
www.brieseusa.com

oddly though the site redirects to some weird ebay store though.....so i dunno.

wrong wrong wrong and a big mess happened with them in the past, don't buy anything from them


correct info here:

http://www.briese-lichttechnik.de/usaservice.html

look here:

http://www.briese-lichttechnik.de/usaservice.html

As I said before I am looking to invest in unique/specialized lighting pieces and I would love to buy a pair of Briese focus 77 S, I assume it's compatible with both Flash & HMI...? I haven't seen similar umbrella/product from any other company...

Any combo/configuration flash and HMI you have in mind to go in tandem with pair of focus 77 S?

I can't find the prices on net, it seems like not many stores carry them.





Brady, www.brieseusa.com will lead you to some guy selling semi precious stones.... so you are right it's not Briese USA for sure!

Danielle Inc.
Carmen Fiumefreddo
1275 Bloomfields Avenue
Building 8, Unit 68
Fairfield, NJ 07004
USA

Tel.: 001-973-244 96 62
Fax: 001-973-244 98 17

carmenf@danielleinc.us


I will give them a call tomorow and we'll see what happens...

I know this doesn't help you much since it's in UK, perhaps you can call and find out a bit more...

Anyway I'll give them a call tomorrow to see what's going on with US Distributors...

CONTACT:

Sales and Rental
T +44(0)20 8960 1121
F +44(0)20 7117 1930
M +44(0)7966 430985
solalights@mac.com
http://www.solalights.com

Solalights Limited
Studio 1
3 Latimer Place
London. W10 6QT

I've used them with Briese's own HMI. Really nice. You can have an assistant hold one on a light stand, a battery pack on his/her waist with the balast. Doesn't attract much attention, you don't have to put down sticks. For strobe, I've heard you can have it modified for Bron or Profoto. They use a special stick light flash head with a reflector that is built into the shaft. Nice.

The big Briese is/was about $20k USD last I asked at Pier 59.

T

Here's a link for the Chinese Para FB knock-off:

http://bbosasi.com/shop/goods/goods_view.p...category=006002

It's available through the Konova store on ebay. I had to email them, as they don't have it listed in their ebay store. They are based in Seoul, I believe.

I went ahead and ordered the 220cm model at about $1k US delivered. There's also a 180cm model that is slightly cheaper.

Less than a week later, a huge oblong box, over 2m long, arrived.

It's a very nice light for the price, and comes complete with the rolling stand, 5kg counter weight, and an empty sandbag. It is not as adjustable as the Bron -- the head can be extended out about a meter from its set position at the outer edge of the umbrella. The umbrella has one fixed open position (as seen in the pictures) and can also be closed a bit by sliding the central tube forward.

I've only used it for a couple shoots now, and need to experiment more. The light is very nice though -- punchy, constrasty, very flattering skin.

Briese doesn't do these conversions anymore, at least not officially...but you can llok around for a converted one on ebay Germany. There some around and keep popping up from time to time. And rather for cheap...

Some electricians can and will do it, although they did get into some trouble with Briese for advertising their services.

I think any good Speedotron tech could do the conversion.

T

I'm not sure....the difference is in the "Zündspannung" ( triggervoltage) of the elinchrom/ profoto modified heads compared to the original briese ones. Better not to blow a 850 Euro flashtube, rather buy a used head on ebay for 150 Euros, I guess...

Any News of Balcar relaunch????.

what do you mean...from their website it looks they are still making strobes...though they renamed all of their generators and streamlined their offers

In Germany, look up http://www.snap-studios.de . Dealers usually discount 20% off list.
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The trouble with the Briese lies in the odd working of the Flash power packs or generators, as they are commonly known in Europe. You figure it out for yourself.
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Oh, yeah, Briese bumps up his prices by about 10% over the last one every year so you may expect a 10% increase in the pdf's list prices come October 08.

I understand that Briese has dropped his White finish (S) from the Focus save the 77cm model. Only the Silver finish (H) is available now. Briese's website is in need of serious updating as it does not show the latest products like the 44cm and 125cm Focus reflectors.

It is great stuff used mainly by cinematographers although Peter Lindbergh and Stephen Wayda are fans.

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Holy S...; the reflector hanging from the ceiling looks good. Is there any info on this one? Did balcar get bought by COKIN?

Balcar & Cokin merged over a year ago.

The umbrella looks to me like the Asian knock-offs mentioned earlier.

yes Balcar get bought by cokin(GROUPE FOKIA) .

Hanging ref is new product by them. waiting for the announcement on Balcar website

Have you been to Photokina?

Did you see in real...me excited...

Missed this merger

The reflector rather looks like a Elinchrom Deep Troath to me...


Anybody who was at Kina did notice...

I just saw this reflector , but by a korean company called Aurora
It's like a giant Deep Throat
apparently they manufacture softboxes for Hensel too

Aurora mfg this giants for various brands. http://www.alb.co.kr/.

i have already requested this detail from marc heintz(Balcar rep), will post it as soon as will get it.

excited too

Any ideas on how to spot one of the knockoffs?

Actually I believe that many companies get a number of accessories from other manufacturers (some in asia) and then relabel them.
a number of lights from profoto are relabelled pieces from an european manufacturer.

The giant reflectors and all umbrellas from Profoto are actually made and manifactured in Sweden (and i know that because i tried to get the same factory to make me some custom umbrellas once and was turned down because of their contract with Profoto =)

As for how to spot knockoffs, it can be hard in any type of field. Just get the item from a reputable dealer that you trust instead off ebay.

a number of lights from profoto are relabelled pieces from an european manufacturer.

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yes, the manufacturer is Bacht, who make some speciality lamps (fresnels, strips) for profoto
(and also for broncolor, elinchrom, etc.)

I have this same BOX and it is pretty good for the money.
Some complaints are the stitching on mine is already opening a little and the Bar where you connect the head does not fit very well with Profoto 7 heads nor Bowens bigger heads.
Does give a nice contrasty light.
Anybody know where to buy the Small deeper ParaBolics... I saw a tiny one in the Photokina pictures from Sinar..?
Thanks for any information, hopefully in the USA if they sell them
Snook

A small "Deep Throat" Octa from Elinchrom costs about 300 Euros. Don't know how much it cost in the US...

If you find a small Parabolic tell me where you got it.

It seems Bowens have a new power pack too called Qx3 but I can't find the specifications anywhere on bowens website. Anyway, if somebody is interested here are the links. There's also new geminis and travel pack, I like the option to choose radio trigger with an optional card.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=0CS53WQloCg

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=27J9sCAu_uc

Arnau

I will be in Hong Kong and Seoul in produciton soon and if time permits (time never permits) I will try to visit these companies or dealers and see what's available and post it later.

I too would like to find a series of para umbrellas expecially the tighter versions and if they aren't available from China, I guess I'll have to pony up the money for profoto.

I would buy Brieze but I don't think they sell or really understand their method of sales, vs. rent.

I know in NY there is a lot of rumors about Brieze and rumors of litagation against people buying them so I don't know the system and once again these are just rumors, nothing I know first hand, so take this with a grain of salt.

JR

James, would be great if you could scout for us a small parabolic reflector and regarding the rumours about Briese see this link:

http://www.briese-lichttechnik.de/briesevsbrieseusa.html


By the way, Briese can be rented everywhere in Europe quite easily. Even Briese Focus adapted to take Profoto. Here in Barcelona are two rental outlets at least offering this.

Is there a real profound difference in light quality between the Deep throat Elinchrom and a small parabolic from any other manufacturers ?

here we go again