Shutterspeed was arround 1/125 the highest a 645 will go.
When I need higher I will opt for the RZ which will sync to 1/400

@Snook,
Could you PLEASE stop with accusing me of things that simply aren't true.
YES I did a session on a car junkyard (several because it's not a minute from my home) but that was way before I saw your shots, also the work I did is totally different except there is a girl and an old car.
But man I think that topic has been done since way before you were born, so don't attack me because some how you don't like me (god knows why).
I always try to act normal, help you out when you have a question and try to be civil.
But accusing an artist/photographer of copying work of others while you know this is BS is just way below the belt.
So please grow up or at least behave.
I'm following you on several fora and one thing is very consistant you are out to put down certain people.

About the so called Dave Hill effect, I used this effect for many years and it's not a dave hill effect (he made it populair) it's simply a mix of HDR like effects, light and highpass filtering.
Also this has been done WAY before Dave Hill and is just a normal technique, which in this case fits this series.

In reality EVERYTHING has been done sometime or somewhere by someone.
There is no shame in being inspired, but being inspired is something else than copying.
I have several photos of mine being copied POSE BY POSE including clothing, props and light, in other words you lay them next to each other and everything is the same (except the quality of the light and model ) if something like that happens to you I understand you can be pissed off, but now you're claiming to have shot the Eiffeltower and everyone else who shoots the Eiffeltower is copying you.

Again I don't know what I ever did to you to earn the wrath of Snook but it's getting very boring.
If I look at your portfolio I can point to several shots that you've done that I did before you but so can everyone......

About being inspired by the way, a while ago you asked on retouchpro how to achieve the double light/color effects, I believe I'm the one who told you with some other guys, and look after that you've been using that technique.....
Does that mean that when I start using it again that I'm copying you ????
In fact that technique was also used since the 70's or so, so in fact you're a big copy cat

please grow up, we're all grown man here with a passion and I think most are pros behave like one.

Frank you crack me up..

These were all inspired and copied from Frank Doofhoor.

Thanks for the inspiration and help through the years.. I could not have done it with out you.

Snook
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Beautiful model. Nice clean images. And I like a bit of yellow in the background left. I makes the difference.

Well you're right I never saw a model against a white background.......

PLEASE grow up or at least behave mature on a pro forum....
This is such a shame of the bandwidth.
You make great shots please also behave like it.

There is NOTHING that hasn't already been done.
There is NO photographer that isn't inspired by others work.

But when you shoot on a certain location and then behave like a total idiot because some else used the same SORT of location without knowing you that's downright weird....
By the way, I thought I mailed you many years ago some photographers from the 70's that also shot on junkyards and that were my inspirition I told you then and I will tell you know I never ever heard of you before that argument, heck I had to google your site because you did not have the courtecy to sign the mails with your website at the start I did not even knew on which photographs you were angry.

Snook, we have know each other online for a long time.
I've always handled you with respect and commented and gave answers always without any form of grudge against you.
However you're always bitching about something, but clinging to the photographers you think are great and real pros in your eye.
Please try to behave normally, it would really benefit the forum and keep the atmosphere nice and friendly as it should.

Again I always try to behave natural and nice but sometimes also my patience is gone

Thanks, she is 15 years old and was her first job for a client. Took a while to get her to loosen up but she has a natural rapour.

Frank don't get all bent out of shape.. just pushing the buttons a little...
It was getting boring around here...LOL

Snook

Try then not to push the post button, keep a diary or something.
Don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself.....

Come on Snook, talk about pushing buttons, I just posted some old car shots and even said my favorite lens was that old 50mm f/1.9 and I don't even get any comments from you.
I'm so disappointed I'm not being accused of stealing your vision!!
Why do you think I posted those shots!!
BTW, I actually thought your were just doing a little Frank button pushing in jest, but it really does come across as mean spirited sometimes.

Bruce

Bruce, mine were with the 80 1.9 @ 1.9 (wide open) that is why...LOL

Nice shot's by the way...:+} But stop copying me..hahaha

Snook

15!!! I'd never guessed.

Snook,

I once photographed some guy wearing sunglasses, so you are obviously blatantly copying me! Please cease and desist! 

Eric it comes from a junk yard series a LONG time ago , just some how pops up and reminds me.
There is a difference between inspiration and copying.. quite a difference.
By the way not sure if you know but there is an ignore button which will not let you see my comments if they bother so much.
Just close your eyes and Press it.. It won't hurt a bit.

Look at this photographer, remind you of someone from this forum..?

http://www.carlosserrao.com/


I will give you credit for the glasses in my next shoot with glasses. Just EricM for the credit..
actually here is the credit:
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Snook

Snook, your are so right, I did mean the 80 1.9. I don't think they have a 50 1.9 for the Mamiya!
Ok, I'm off to the studio. Time to start shooting girls on white, or .....................in a junkyard.

Bruce

Thanks for the credit, Snook.

Of course, you should really give me credit for the "EricM" idea as well... 

Serrao's work is very nice!

Let me rephrase that....

Serrao's work is VERY NICE!!! (impactful, timeless,)

These are nice. Not WOW, or BAM, In your face!, or MONEY (Like some I have seen of yours)!...But rather clean straight forward commercial work that should get you jobs. Good stuff! At least its in the right direction post :-)

His work is not only nice it is amazing.. James Russells used to try and copy a lot of his work, specially when he did the Olympic/Osaka type stuff. The idea came from Serraos works for sure.Only Serraoes retocuhing is on another level. Never over done in my mind.. Just right on the money.
He is a master up there with Nick Knight in my mind.
These guys are just on another planet..
Not only nice but masterly..:+}

Snook

And one of the hottest photographers at the moment in case you did not see his work.

http://www.eugeniorecuenco.com/

another genius!

Snook, That guy's fantastic! Different and prolific, where do you think the locations are? Jim

The Bull. The trademark of Osborne. There are several scattered around Spain. You need copyright clearance to use them.

The photographer: compare with the here-flaunted values of the Levi thing and tell me Levi is worth linking, thinking and praising. For me it represents the void between European imagination and SOME American. The chasm between class and crass; Rita Hayworth and Pammy spring to my mind and both are glamour?

If you go to Recuenco´s Spanish agent you will find a host of very talented people.

An illustration of why I think I was right to sail quietly off into the sunset; never, in a zillion years could I have made it happen. How many here could, I wonder?

Rob C

Yeah, you can see those large bulls by the roadside everywhere in Spain, except Catalunya...

I highly doubt that it's protected. The bull used to be trademarked in Spain, but it was appropriated by the public, and became a national symbol years ago. If a trademark is not used and defended, it loses its protection. That why Xerox occasionally posts full-page informational "ads" explaining "xeroxing" is not appropriate use of the word.

But IANAL, and I don't know the specific laws in Spain or EU.

feppe

You may be right, but the copyright (protection of the concept as a symbol of a product range) aspect of the bull thing was referred to here in Spain quite recently and that´s where I picked up on the payment-to-use issue, but I can´t remember the context so I can´t argue the result, only my memory of how it panned out. It is a trademark very much used by them, so I´d be surprised if they were lax in holding or protecting its value.

Anyhow, the value of Recuenco´s work derives, in my opinion, from an inescapable legacy of European religion, aristocracy and sophistication all thrown into a delightful mix of decadence and guilt. It´s the secret behind Federico Fellini, Sarah Moon, Marino Parisotto Vay and a host of exciting others. You just can´t fake it: you recognize and can empathise or you cannot, and it has nothing to do with your personal status either - it´s more basic than that and is about soul, not about how rich you are.

But jeez, what will happen to that stuff if all we are going to get is what the pundits here project: advertising exposure only on youtube or in the margins of Google... without printed copy or even TV or cinema commercial space, how will one ever appreciate it - or why would one pay to make it?

Rob C

While there is no such thing as a uniform, or even a collective European "religion, aristocracy and sophistication," I agree Recuenco's work is impressive and engaging. I hadn't heard of him before, but those photos will stay with me much longer than the over-produced "art" photography out there, or even worse, the art photography which considers beauty an abomination.

His use of television aspect ratio and the interlacing artifacts are a nice touch. I wonder if he shot on 8mm video film. I'm not at all convinced with his ability to actually tell a story - which he clearly strives for -, but the photos stand on their own even in web format.

Your last paragraph is indeed puzzling. Rather than monetizing my moderate photographic skills by restricting access to my photos, doing paid assignments or giving workshops. I support myself financially outside photography, so it's probably not an option for most photographers here, though.

Puzzling - why? What I´m saying is simply that if things continue to follow the line that gurus here declare, that everything is going to end up on a LCD, there will be little incentive for clients to spend megabucks for something that ends up 72ppi. Then, were the gurus right, your question about shooting on 8mm might make sense in a way you hadn´t considered. I think they are mistaken, however, because the world of fantasy that is cosmetics, fashion and aspirational buying of any kind depends on the product being seen to be fantastically ultra than the everyday. Further, do women waste as much time on the web as do men? Take a measure of the female interest here, for a start: pretty invisible, and other than kids doing homework, not all of them can be accused of spending all day at the screen. As has been noted, big spend advertising still keeps Vogue and the like afloat even if the lesser, more downmarket kinds fail. Cinemas and TV still have a lot of mileage left, I´d guess.

I don´t think the rainforests can breathe easy yet either!

Rob C


Edit: Can anybody tell me why the top part of this post has become detached and presented as a separate entity? It was all one post.

You forgot about Facebook, Myspace, Livejournal, etc. Thats where most go, not to Luminous-Landscape

You have a point; as I don´t go the sites you mention either, I don´t suppose I´m part of the world any more. Oh, yes, I use youtube when I want to look up some old music...

But I will make a serious point: I hate those pop-ups and all those blasted distractions that come onto the search engines. The last thing they do is make me feel positive about them. I can´t remember a single one. As an extension of that marketing psychology, let me tell you the latest little nonsense I ran into the other day: I walked to the car in the morning and hey! some brilliant young marketeer had thought of using sticky flyers to market his Indian restaurant. Yes, literally. The damn thing was stuck to the rear screen and remained there for about two days before I went to the trouble of coming out with a bucket of water. Will I use his restauarant? If I were forty years younger I´d break his friggin´ nose as for any vandal. And the nuisance value of the monitor being filled with crap solicits exactly the same response in me. First thing every morning some idot company has a pop-up that wants me to click onto the leading Hot Singers of the moment. Maybe the missing women go for that rubbish too.

Perhaps today´s people are expecting to be abused and might even feel deprived if treated with some respect in their own home.

Rob C

Not partically my best image of late but pretty pleased
where it ended up !
Cheers,
Simon

Enter AdBlock Plus (Firefox only). When I surf without it at someone else's computer, I'm flabbergasted (yes, flabbergasted) at the amount of crap on websites - how do people surf without an ad blocker?

Congrats Simon.
Great shot super publication.

Thanks for the link there. That's very interesting work, with a finely-developed palette and nuanced tonality. I was blown away by the sly wit of his Renaissance portraits.

I must admit that the first page of images left me cold at first, and this one made me cringe a bit. But looked at in context it's clear he's working at ways to push his craft further and I just need to switch off my technical thinking.

It's definitely worth taking some time to digest all the work he shows here.

I love how he purposely exxagerated the Halos around the men, which usually most people do not like or try to get rid of when doing HDR or using Lucis or whatever plugin that extends the DR.

Glad you guys enjoyed them as much as I did and do. He is very talented no doubt. I am sure you guys no Nick Knight as well. He is always invented new techniques and style. It just amazes me.
Snook

Yes thats what I thought too! He makes fun of the technique, and at the same time the style fits! I find this pretty amazing ^^

Nice work! Wish i could see it a bit larger....But wait, I should look for it on news stands :-)

Yes, this guy is different. He is about fine art and the message, ...most accurate statement is his "twin brother"? he says the source of inspiration is in investigating or studying of fine art. This is clear when you look at his work.
It is at a production level, and to make beautiful images is the byproduct rather than the focus. Very Nice work! cinema is the direction.

"Fashion victim"



LL's own "dergiman" was my assistant on this shoot. He's doing his internship here.

That's hilarious! Very nice photo as well - especially the entirely inappropriate attire is so... appropriate.

Love it Graham

Ummm... but, but, what´s that hanging down between her legs?

;-)

Rob C

As fashion seems to be acceptable right here and right now:

http://marinoparisotto.com

Rob C

Rob

...but, but, I think you'll find that's her butt.

;-)

Heavens, Mr Laban, I thought it was her silken purse wot wos in 'er 'and!

Silly me! All that 'orn goes to a poor lad´s 'ead, you know.

Rob C

Rob he was acutally hot in the late 90's and is a complete asshole by the way.
I use to know him from Miami and when he was a Male Model.
His stuff is pretty outdated and not people like to work with anymore b/c he is such an asshole...:+}

Snook

This guy has taste for sure

Marino parisotto's work is really well polished. very Nice work! :-)

New Shot

cool/chilly image...wonder what is putting that smile on her face?

Sook, we are ALL assholes in one way or another and it´s been a long time since I carried a catapult or sling.

I find his work very polished, dynamic and he finds/creates the most exquisite creatures on Earth. What´s not to like? I only wish that we were all as good as he, then there would be no platform from which he would shine over us.

;-)

Rob C

Edit: if we are to speak about folks being assholes, then on the basis that we all are and all - usually - have one in working order, there is hardly a photographer newish today whom I´d care to spend time interviewing. Of the older ones, there are many whose work I admire, and I have mentioned them here quite often. But with whom would I like to spend time? On the basis that I don´t know any of them personally but have read quite a lot about them, I have to go back to one of my favourites, Sarah Moon, whose interview with Frank Horvat in Horvatland.com I find very revealing and very similar to my own view of how creative photography actually functions when you are trying to produce something out of very little, creating that whole which is greater than the sum of the parts. Beyond the fact that I love her style, I think she is a little 'complicated' in the head, which makes her even more interesting. The one other person, whom I think was both great maker of images and also a very rewarding person to read, has to be Jeanloup Sieff.

I might be able to expand the list on a generous day, but today I´ll ride with those two.

I'm an old Sarah Moon fan too! Attached is something shot in the 70's that was to be a GAF500 national ad. Unfortunately, GAF pulled out of the film business a couple of months before it was to run. The campaign featured myself and Sarah Moon, I was just out of RIT and couldn't believe it! Probably wouldn't have started shooting cars if the ad had run. Also, attached are a couple of Citroen shots she did in the mid 70's, as well as, a new piece of mine. Jim
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Wow, this is very cool!

Definitively nice!

I rest my case. The first two almost bring tears to this old guy´s eyes and that wishing that won´t go away. Assuming you haven´t PShopped them since, the last two demonstrate that effects were possible way back when... Oops - just noticed the car on its own isn´t old! Too many tear drops!

If that film was available today, I´d keep that F3 guarded with my life and the freezer would find the Kodachrome removed and usurped by GAF! Never got around to using it, but there was a golden opportunity when I did my Tennent´s Lager shoot in Provence, a shot from which I posted on the thread that James started a while back. Sadly, I wasn´t brave enough to go for it because I´d made the mistake of emphasising the beauty of grain to the Marketing Director and, not having the Pirelli to show him, words didn´t swing it my way. Damn!

Beautiful stuff that renews my faith in mankind.

How did the job go - did you work together, doing your separate bits or a team thing? That´s the kind of thing I find fascinating to learn about - must be a groupie after all!

Thanks so much for posting.

Rob C