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JDClements
I just started playing with DxO, and am seeing huge DNG files being produced. For example, I feed in a 30meg CR2 file, and I get an 82meg DNG file out the other end. Why is that? If I convert the same file inside Lightroom, I get a 28meg DNG file.
digitaldog
QUOTE (JDClements @ Feb 1 2009, 08:16 AM) *
I just started playing with DxO, and am seeing huge DNG files being produced. For example, I feed in a 30meg CR2 file, and I get an 82meg DNG file out the other end. Why is that? If I convert the same file inside Lightroom, I get a 28meg DNG file.


I think (and could be wrong), its because there's a big fat rendered data file in there, not a Raw (or might be Raw + rendered file).

A DNG isn't necessarily containing a non rendered, non demosic'ed data.
JDClements
I just tried a test. I took a CR2 file into DxO and did some visible alterations, especially to the white balance and tint. When I take the resulting (huge) DNG file into LR, my changes show up. The image looks exactly like I had it in DxO. Except, the WB and tint numbers on the LR sliders are NOT what they were set at in DxO. The LR dropdown says "As Shot".

Now, I look at the original CR2 file that I brought into LR, and the "as shot" WB and tint are different again.
francois
QUOTE (JDClements @ Feb 1 2009, 05:27 PM) *
I just tried a test. I took a CR2 file into DxO and did some visible alterations, especially to the white balance and tint. When I take the resulting (huge) DNG file into LR, my changes show up. The image looks exactly like I had it in DxO. Except, the WB and tint numbers on the LR sliders are NOT what they were set at in DxO. The LR dropdown says "As Shot".

Now, I look at the original CR2 file that I brought into LR, and the "as shot" WB and tint are different again.

I could well be wrong but I guess that DxO generates a new DNG file with R,G and B components. This could explain the ~3x big size than the original CR2 file.
Panopeeper
If you start this program and "process" the file, it creates a chart of the file structure, called filename.taglist.txt. Upload that file, it shows what is there, how large, which format. etc.

It is a Windows program, but it works under Windows simulators on Mac. I have not tested it on Vista.
JDClements
QUOTE (Panopeeper @ Feb 1 2009, 11:42 AM) *
If you start this program and "process" the file, it creates a chart of the file structure, called filename.taglist.txt. Upload that file, it shows what is there, how large, which format. etc.

It is a Windows program, but it works under Windows simulators on Mac. I have not tested it on Vista.


The program worked on Vista for the CR2 file (except that it closes itself with no message after running a file). But it does not recognize DxO's DNG file: "The image file specification is incomplete or unsupported"
JDClements
QUOTE (digitaldog @ Feb 1 2009, 10:56 AM) *
I think (and could be wrong), its because there's a big fat rendered data file in there, not a Raw (or might be Raw + rendered file).

A DNG isn't necessarily containing a non rendered, non demosic'ed data.


I am still finding the whole concept a little confusing, but this is what I think I understand:

> If LR takes a CR2 (or other) RAW file, and converts it to DNG, then it is still a RAW file, but in a different format. LR does the RAW conversion on the fly, as you view and work with the DNG images.

> If some other program (such as DxO) takes a RAW file, and converts it to DNG, it may no longer be a RAW file, but rather it is already converted. Somehow LR recognizes it, but is no longer acting as a RAW converter.

Is that right?
Panopeeper
QUOTE (JDClements @ Feb 1 2009, 11:40 AM) *
except that it closes itself with no message after running a file

That is meant so; this is a shortcut version of Rawnalyze, intended only to create a structure list.

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But it does not recognize DxO's DNG file: "The image file specification is incomplete or unsupported"

That's ok; pls attach or upload the text file.
JDClements
QUOTE (Panopeeper @ Feb 1 2009, 02:49 PM) *
That's ok; pls attach or upload the text file.

Ah... there is a file there. Here it is.

Panopeeper
This is a demosaiced, linear raw file, every pixel has three components @ 16bits; plus a full image size JPEG preview, over 4 MB. The raw data is compressed losslessly.
digitaldog
QUOTE (francois @ Feb 1 2009, 09:33 AM) *
I could well be wrong but I guess that DxO generates a new DNG file with R,G and B components. This could explain the ~3x big size than the original CR2 file.


Exactly, its simply embedding a rendered RGB document NOT a Raw file within the DNG container. That explains the size and how LR could "see" the edits which would not be possible if the data were really Raw.
NikosR
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