No AFi any more.

Xin

There are many AFIs starting this week on eBay

What's this ??

http://www.leafamerica.com/ShowProductDeta...rentMenuID/314/

PdF

Exactly, I was reading about the camera yesterday. It's still here.

Leaf made it pretty clear that they were not going to support the camera in the new incarnation of the company. But I am also certain that Leaf America still had AFI's in stock and they intend to sell them one way or another.

I wouldn't read too much into the fact that they are still on Leaf America's website.

why would you want to drop bread on a dead system is the real question...

It might be dead to Leaf but it is one of the best cameras I have ever used.

Leaf's loss, definitely not mine.

I was going to say the same thing, but when I looked again today
1. I cannot access http://www.leafamerica.com at all
2. In the corresponding part of the global Leaf site http://www.leaf-photography.com/products.asp the menu "Choose Product" no longer has the Afi cameras.

Has there been any statement about plans for Hy6 cameras from Jenoptic, Sinar or Rollei? (Rollei is now a separate company from Franke+Heidecke, and is the one that markets Rollei-branded Hy6 cameras manufactured by F+H.)


P. S. added later: As expected, http://www.leafamerica.com is now back, with the AFi cameras removed from the product list.

The Leaf forum isn't accessible either... Frankly sofar I don't think the take-over is such an improvement, especially not for Leaf. To be honest I never expected Phase to take over Leaf, I would have believed a management buy-out before that. Somewhere I hoped key figures within Leaf would have the guts to perform a management buy-out.

We will have to wait what the future will deliver but sofar IMO it seems pretty grim for Leaf. None of the steps sofar are signs of a company that has a mission in which it truly believes, which saddens me.

oh no doubt a nice camera, but how practical now that it's discontinued - it's not like there is a huge used market it was on the market for such a short period of time...no rental...of course, just IMHO...

Of all the announcements IMO the Phase/Leaf thing is the most confusing from a marketing and good will standpoint.

If you own a Leaf product, need service and see both of their websites blink off line, how you gonna feel?

Probably not too good.

I can understand Phase acquiring some of Leaf's expertise and employees, but I don't understand mentioning the brand Leaf unless they plan on continuing the line in full style and service.

I understand Phase not wanting to announce anything before it's time, that's prudent, but they seem to announce some things like this acquisition but don't really make it clear.

On one hand you wish all of these companies great success, because it is a reflection on the health of our industry. On the other, you kind of wonder what some companies are thinking and as a buyer you'd like more information.


JR

I think if Phase handle this well it will be a win for both them and Leaf users. From Phase's perspective they gain access to the Leaf intellectual property and by providing Leaf support they will create good will from Leaf users who will be faced with a decision of Phase or Blad when upgrade time is due. Leaf users benefit from having ongoing support for their gear. If Phase doesn't deliver to Leaf users then they will risk the potential good will factor. The Leaf forum is one of the support avenues for Leaf users, so I doubt Phase will be dumb enough to trash it without replacing it.

David
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Wouldn't a reasonable person call either their dealer or Leaf America directly? I'm not necessarily a reasonable person, but I certainly wouldn't check their home page if I needed service. And I wouldn't call Phase One to service a Leaf back.

As of Friday the same people still worked at Leaf America, I don't doubt they're there now. If my back needs service it just has to go up to Westchester, and my dealer will take care of all that for me.
Seeing the website down makes me think it's probably being worked on or they're having server issues. I used an Arca professionally for many years and never had a service issue because their website was "down".

Kind of comparing apples with oranges.

Arca never had a website, is still as far as everybody knows a running business. Nothing has changed for them sofar, no customer has any reason to suspect there will be a significant change in the (near) future.

Things are slightly different for Leaf. An announcement from Kodak that is wants to get rid of stuff which might or might not include Leaf, the deafening silence where as normally at least one Leaf employee would have reacted almost instantly. The 'news' that Leaf might or might not survive. The 'news' of the take-over but without a lot information around it. The Afi which has been proudly introduced only about a year ago that might or might not be taken out of the product line. The failure of F&H that is building those machines, etc..

You don't really want to compare this with Arca don't you?

All of this just might go over but I can certainly understand many clients being careful and potential clients holding off or choosing other options. Sometimes open and direct communication is the only route. Personally I would not want to lose control by expecting reasonable people will call me when my company is in muddy waters. I would take control and call these reasonable people myself and probably I would also include the not so reasonable to see if I can reason with them Sure you can expect a lot from customers (potential or not) but wouldn't you want to keep things in your own hand? All IMO naturally.

Anyway, I keep my fingers crossed for Leaf and certainly hope they get their vehicle safely on the road again.

I was responding to the text I quoted.

When I need info about Leaf and what's happening, if it's not on their website I will call my dealer and ask. They answer all my questions. With the exception of software downloads I never found Leaf's website to be of much use anyway.

The Arca comment was in specific relation to service and their lack of a website. I shot with their cameras long before I had a computer or even a cell phone, and never had a problem getting them serviced.

As far as anyone here knows Leaf is still running a business (pretty sure I saw a yaya post this weekend). I could call them right now if I was worried. I could probably call Arca too, but I have never worried about them.

Image2output support of Rollei Hy6 and AFi cameras is noted on the site under the Sinar HY6 body information and Rollei/Afi users are recommended to register their details so they will be kept updated.

Edwin

Try going to www.leafamerica.com today ...... and this is what you will see ....

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that's not fun

this is still up though:

http://www.leaf-photography.com/leafforum.asp

There's nothing more readable than dark blue neon type set against a black background. Gotta hand it to those Phase One web designers.

leafamerica.com is back to normal as is leaf-photography.com

Well it isn't completely back to normal. Under the Key contact page it used to list the contacts for Leaf America and other distributors based on geography. All of those have disappeared and only lists 3 corporate contacts in Israel. No mention of distributors .......